George Fitsall Hine

[iolaus]

I appreciate that I may be trying to discover the impossible however thought if anyone can help it'd be rootschatters

My husband's greatgrandmother Norah Lily Hine (1914 - 2015) was orphaned in 1918 - her father was killed 29 May 1915 (he's one of the missing listed on the Menin gate) and the mother died of the flu epidemic in Dec 1918 and she and her two sisters and brother were all sent into an orphanage.

On researching the family tree I discovered another brother - George Fitsall Hine was born in Feb 1918 in Fulham - he was sent to Australia as part of the child migration programme in 1930 (he died in 2007)

From the British Home Children group on here there was the following information about his WW2 service
HINE GEORGE FITSALL :
Service Number - WX36526 :
Date of birth - 11 Feb 1918 :
Place of birth - LONDON ENGLAND :
Place of enlistment - GERALDTON WA :
Next of Kin - MRS FITSALL [Woolworth - Aunt]

I'm assuming his father must have been someone Fitsall and was wondering if there was any way of working out who he must have been

[groom]

That information is also on Ancestry in their Australia, World War II Military Service Records, 1939-1945, but you need a subscription to Fold3 to be able to see it. I wonder whether the actual records would give more detail such as an address which you could then check in the 1939 register?

If he gives her as NOK, it sounds as if he kept in touch with her after he went to Australia doesn't it?

[KGarrad]

From FreeBMD.org.uk (Transcripts of England & Wales BMD Indexes):

Birth, March qtr 1918
Fulham Registration District     vol 1a, page 438

Hine, George F     Mother's Maiden Name: Coe


And a possible marriage?
December qtr 1897
Fulham Registration District     vol 1a, page 609

Hine, Richard James
Coe, Henrietta Ann



In my own tree, surnames used as middle names usually refer to a grandmother's maiden name?
So, I suspect that is what happened here.

[groom]

From FreeBMD.org.uk (Transcripts of England & Wales BMD Indexes):

Birth, March qtr 1918
Fulham Registration District     vol 1a, page 438

Hine, George F     Mother's Maiden Name: Coe


And a possible marriage?
December qtr 1897
Fulham Registration District     vol 1a, page 609

Hine, Richard James
Coe, Henrietta Ann



In my own tree, surnames used as middle names usually refer to a grandmother's maiden name?
So, I suspect that is what happened here.

Problem is though, as I understand it Richard James Hine died in 1915 - 3 years before George was born. So I think the Fitsall may have been to acknowledge his father.

[groom]

Look what I've found

https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/DetailsReports/ItemDetail.aspx?Barcode=6362254&isAv=N

Click on View digital copy on the right and you can see his record with the aunt's address!
82, Westmoreland Road, Woolworth.

[KGarrad]

Problem is though, as I understand it Richard James Hine died in 1915 - 3 years before George was born. So I think the Fitsall may have been to acknowledge his father.

Oh sugar! I missed that bit.

Possible siblings for George & Norah:

HINE, ETHEL  ELIZABETH      (Mother's maiden name:) COE      
GRO Reference: 1899  J Quarter in WANDSWORTH  Volume 01D  Page 727

HINE, RICHARD  JOHN      COE      
GRO Reference: 1910  M Quarter in ST MARYLEBONE  Volume 01A  Page 459

HINE, HENRIETTA  CHARLOTTE      COE      
GRO Reference: 1907  D Quarter in FULHAM  Volume 01A  Page 348

HINE, IVY  DOROTHY      COE      
GRO Reference: 1913  M Quarter in FULHAM  Volume 01A  Page 542

HINE, LILY  NORA      COE        
GRO Reference: 1914  J Quarter in FULHAM  Volume 01A  Page 573

[iolaus]

Richard and Henrietta are my husbands great grandmother's parents (she was known as Norah Lily but registered as Lily Nora - even on Richards miltary records she's down as Norah)

George must be a half brother, due to Richards death 3 years earlier (I'm not sure as to whether George lived with Henrietta until her death or if he was given up immediately

The Australia records do state he was from a Barnados home and Norah was also brought up in a Barnados home

On the 1911 census it states 4 children 2 had died
I'd only got Henrietta Charlotte and Richard John at that point (and then Ivy and Norah afterwards)
Thanks for Ethel's details - there must be another somewhere too, which I will hunt up afterwards


There's no Fitsall in the family that I have been able to discover, hence me assuming when I discovered the unusual name that it must be his fathers

[iolaus]

hmm

1920 electoral register

82 Westmoreland road

GEORGE and JOHANNA FITSALL

[groom]

So I wonder if that's her - right address?  So you now need to work out how she is connected.

Marriages Sep 1887   
FITSALL    George       
Maloney    Johanna       
   
St. Saviour    1d   11