August 2005 RootsChat Challenge

[cep]

Check her on 1861!

The children have all the right names, and we can get George's parents!


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[cep]

Absolutely Priceless!

Maps, villages, farms, names.

http://www.dickinsons-of-whitfield.org/TownsAndFarms.html


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[tazzie]

Here we go with another a nother batch...........

           Margaret Bell married George Kirk 12 Dec 1838

             Georges parents   George Kirk and Margaret Craig
            George dies 31 May 1857
 as I have not got census access I took a chance and jumped to 1881 where I found

                   Margaret    w   67  b Henshaw    farmer 317  acs
                William    son      41
                John       son       40
              Elizabeth dau       36
              Margeret  dau       28
              Annie        dau      25
               George  g/son     13
    all at a farm in CADGERFORD    HENSHAW

 George died at CADGERFORD in 1857

      Will go and check all other options or am I going back too far now
                             TAZZIE
   

[tazzie]

WITH BIG BIG THANKS TO A POSTING ANSWERED BY CAZ...........

           1861 Margaret Kirk head /wid b1814 Hanshaw
                    William                            b1840
                    John                                b1841
                    Catherine                        b1843
                    Antony                            b1847
                   Elizabeth                          b1847
                   Margaret                          b 1853
                  & Anne                              b 1856
          Tazzie

[Joanna Tolhurst]

Sorry been away from this a while; trying desperately to finish decorating before school starts next week.
Realise you're having fun here with the Bells, but we can't link them up to Philip on just a supposition of the naming tradition, can we?
I would agree that the name Anthony is one likely to be in the family as surely its not that common. 1861 shows only 6 born in cumberland between 1810 and 1850, plus of course ours who's down as Beed, and only 8 born in Northumberland between 1790 and 1855.  A search on ancestry.co for registrations of Anthony Bell in Cumberland over  1837 - 1877 has only 11 results for the whole county with only 1 death in Brampton district 1842; Northumberland has more results for the county but with only, in Haltwhistle district, 2 births 1853, 1859.
Jo

[Joanna Tolhurst]

Our Philip was born in Upper Denton according to the censuses, in 1817 according to death registration and 1891 census (1820/21 according to other censuses). Others born at Denton in 1861 census:

at Farlam:
John Bell unmar 64 Land proprietor born Denton
Rachel sister unmar 58 housekeeper born Farlam
William brother unmar 42 ag lab born Farlam

at 17 Bloomfield Road, Paddington
James T Bell 56 late captain royal Westmorland Militia born Denton
Louisa wife 55 born Middlesex

at Brampton
John Bell 70 cotton weaver born Denton
Jane wife 65 all cotton weavers born Brampton
John son 32
Richard son 28
Margaret dau 16

at Upper Denton
Thomas Bell 48 landed proprietor all born Denton
Mary wife 45
Jane dau 10
mary Ann Ferguson granddau 3

at Fenton
John Bell 60 ag lab born Denton
Mary wife 60 born Yorkshire

at Upper Denton
John Bell 39 Tailor employs 2 born Denton
Elizabeth wife 50 born Brampton
George Foster app 16 apprentice
William Carridie? app 15 apprentice

There's also others born at Nether Denton, which is on the way to Brampton from Denton.  Will get those next.

[Joanna Tolhurst]

Loking at the Bells born in Denton according to the 1861:

John, Rachel and William were children of James Bell and Mary Richardson
John born 18 Feb 1797 chr 23 Jan 1800 at Farlam
Rachel chr 3 Feb 1803 at Farlam
William chr 8 Jan 1819 Farlam
also Joseph born 21 Fb 1799 chr 25 Jan 1800 Farlam
Ann chr 29 Dec 1800 Farlam
James chr 25 Dec 1807 Farlam
Mary chr 14 July 1811 Farlam

James Thomas Bell chr 28 Dec 1808 at Brampton, parents James Bell and Mary Robinson
also John chr 17 May 1801
Elizabeth chr 28 Dec 1808

Looking for Thomas Bell I found:
LDS record Thomas Bell chr 20 Dec 1812 Over Denton Nailor
parish record Thomas Bell chr 20 Dec 1812 Lanercost
parents Anthony Bell and Jane Graham who were married at Lanercost 25 Nov 1812 (LDS record)

Upper Denton was also known as Over Denton.
Our Philip had 2 children Anthony and Jane.

[cep]

Our Philip Bell, b. 1820, married Margaret Unknown, date unknown.

Looking at births of known children, assume marriage sometime 1855 - 1858.

FreeBMD, Ancestry,  have only one Philip Bell married in this period.

Gateshead Q1 1858 10a 532

Also checked images from 1837online - no other Philip Bell marriage.
And the reference 10a 532 is right - at least, I cannot make anything different from it.

Gateshead 10a 532 does not show any other persons.

I cannot find any Philip Bell in 1861 census who might, reasonably, have married at Gateshead in 1858.

There is a Gateshead connection;
Philip's son, John Bell, b. 1867, married there, 1892
Spouse: Hannah Mitchelson Atkinson

Possibilities:

Our Philip DID marry in Gateshead
Married pre-1855
Marriage never registered
Philip has another name


Thoughts?   CP

[cep]

Margaret's husband John Bell's family, I guess from his age , birthplace and his mother's name.

1861 at Hartleyburn, Halton Lee Gate:
John Bell 43 coal miner
Barbara wife 44
Jane dau 14 dressmaker
William son 12 coal miner
Mary Ann dau 9
Margaret dau 7
John son 4 all born Haltwhistle

John's wife is Barbara Teasdale.

Supported by BMD and IGI.

She should be easy (easier ?) to trace.


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Barbara b. 1817, from 1861 census.


Barbara Teasdale bap. 19 Oct 1817, Haltwhistle

Parents: William & Hannah      LDS Extract P002851


Children of William & Hannah (Bushby) from P002851

Sarah 1802
William 1804
John 1807
Thomas 1810
Hannah 1812
Isabella 1815
Barbara 1817
Matthew 1820
Jacob 1822
Obadiah 1826


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