August 2005 RootsChat Challenge

[alcrighton]

I think I may have tracked down Margaret, Philip's daughter:

1881 Census

A search for Margarets born in Midgeholme threw up:

RG11/5109  Folio 107 Page 13

Halton Lea Gate, Haltwhistle

John Bell, Head, 24, Coal Miner, b. Northumberland, Halton Lea Gate
Margaret Bell, Wife, b Northumberland, Midgeholme, Lamergost?

and then I found

Marriages June Quarter 1880

John Bell, Bramton 10b 625
Margaret Bell, Brampton 10b 625

Coincidence or something else with Ince** in the word 

Al

[tommytoronto]

Tom, can we find another Philip Bell with wife Mary in the censuses that would account for this Jane?

Well- in a cursory search - i don't see any Jane bell on 1861 that matches as a daughter of Philip.

(In fact - there are only 19 Philip Bell's on the 1861 census - ours is transcribed as Beed)

Tom

[cep]

I am still having difficulty with the county boundaries.

Nice map here:
http://www.durham.gov.uk/durhamcc/K2P.nsf/K2PDetail?readform&PRN=N5959

Click on  "Location of this site on a map"

Haltwhistle
Midgeholme
Knarsdale
Halton Lea Gate
Farlam
Brampton
Lanercost
etc.

All clearly shown.

Upper Denton is just SW of Gilsland.

Featherstone Colliery, where Anthony Bell died, is the "X" at centre of map.


CP

[Joanna Tolhurst]

Thanks CP, need to zoom out a bit to 100000 to see almost all the places together.  We're right on the border of Cumberland and Northumberland. Carlisle isn't far away west and neither is Newcastle and Gateshead far away to the east (hence Hadrians wall).

[Joanna Tolhurst]

There is no IGI index reference for Upper Denton, Cumberland, so this entry may be of relevance:

Philip BELL
Christening 15 June 1817
Haltwhistle, Northumberland
Father: Thomas BELL
Mother: Mary
Batch No: P002851

But with a name like Bell, and 26 christenings of children born to Thomas and Mary Bell within 20 years, this may be a red herring.

I think this one might be tougher than last month's...

There's also a Philip Bell chr 28 Oct 1818 at Brampton, parents John and Jane, on the IGI.  John and Jane and other children, John, Richard and Margaret are in Brampton 1861, cotton weavers.

Upper Denton is halfway between Brampton and Haltwhistle, so our Philip could be either or another one chr in Upper Denton.

[cep]

We're right on the border of Cumberland and Northumberland.

Border runs between Midgeholme (Cumberland) and Halton Lea Gate (Northumberland)
Then right through Gilsland.

No wonder these people don't know where they were born!


CP

[Joanna Tolhurst]

From the London Ancester website
Report of the Boundary Commissioners for England and Wales.
Printed by Eyre and Spottiswoode, London, 1885.

http://www.londonancestor.com/maps/bc-cumber-n.htm

[cep]

Thank You for the map.

Much better than the one I drew by hand!


CP

[Holly Golightly]

Hi,

Have been looking at ROBSON's - Philips son Anthony's wife Family:

To finish of the censuses here they are in 1901:
1901: RG13/4859 Folio: 73, Page: 16
Tudal Terrace, Farlam
Samuel Robson Head M 58 Coal Tipler?  b- Hartleyburn
Isabella Wife M 56 b- Farlam
Samuel Son S 22 Coal Miner b- Midgeholm
Joseph Son S 20 Coal Miner (putter) b- Midgeholm
Margaret Daughter S 17 b- Midgeholm
Elsie M Daughter S 12 b- Midgeholm
Ann Housby Sister in Law S 54 b- Farlam

Holly