August 2005 RootsChat Challenge

[Paul E]

Hi CEP

Duly contacted -well spotted!

cheers

Paul

[Joanna Tolhurst]

Summaries updated to include Philip's daughter Margaret and her family.  Her in law Bells have been posted as well (reply #2). We haven't got anything yet on John's in laws; he married Hannah Mitchelson Atkinson 1892.  Neither do we have Jane's in laws,; she married Thomas Richardson 1878.
Jo

[cep]

Naming Tradition

From June Challenge:

by JoT

Scottish naming tradition has it that (with some variations according to family):
1st son - paternal grandfather
2nd son - maternal grandfather
3rd son - father
1st daughter - maternal grandmother
2nd daughter -  paternal grandmother
3rd daughter - mother

by liverpool annie

 Irish naming patterns
 
 First son after father's father
 Second son after mother's father
 Third son after father
 Fourth son after father's oldest brother
 Fifth son after mother's oldest brother
 
 
 First daughter after mother's mother (or father's mother)
 Second daughter after father's mother (or mother's mother)
 Third daughter after mother
 Fourth daughter after mother's oldest sister
 Fifth daughter after father's oldest sister



Our Philip Bell, b. 1821 has

Daughter Jane:  First son = Philip b. 1881

Son Anthony:  First son = Philip b. 1895

Daughter Margaret:  First son = Philip b. 1892

Son John:  Second son = Philip b. 1895


Our Philip named his first son Anthony.
So his (Philip's) father MAY be Anthony.

From Summaries:
1857 June 16 possible chr Jane Bell parents Philip and Mary Bell Presyterian NC Haltwhistle (page 4)

Family may be Presbyterian.

From my post page 7:

Year    Date    Name      s/d  Father  Mother          Surname
1813    5-May   Margaret  d    Anthony Catherine(Kirk) Bell
1816    21-May  John      s    Anthony Catherine(Kirk) Bell
1821    15-Sep  William   s    Anthony Catherine(Kirk) Bell

These were from the Presbyterian register, Haltwhistle. IGI C002862


CP

[Holly Golightly]

Also listed on IGI is another child to Anthony Bell & Catherine Kirk:
Elizabeth b-7 December 1811, christened 12 April 1812, Haltwhistle.

Wasnt P.B born 1811/12?

Holly

[cep]

Anthony Bell m. Catherine Kirk
2 mar 1811, Haltwhistle

IGI Extracted entry.   M002851


CP

[cep]

Anthony m. 1811, so possibly b. c 1785

Naming tradition:  His father MAY be Philip.

Anthony Bell b. 29 Aug 1783, Lanercost
Parents Philip & Margaret

IGI Extract P001921

Patron submissions give mother as Margaret Bowman
but wrong (mistranscribed?) date.

We need a Margaret!


CP

[tazzie]

CEP
          Could this be our Margaret
            B @ 1812
            C 5 MAY 1813
         MARGARET daughter of ANTONY BELL
                                              & CATHERINE KIRK

            HIGH SCOTCOULTERD
                HALTWHISTLE
                  NORTHUMBERLAND
          married 12 Dec 1838 to George  Kirk
            died 20 Sept 1887


            With Haltwhisle showing as CUMBERLAND and  NORTHUMBERLAND we are again crossing borders

                          TAZZIE

[cep]

Tazzie,

That is certainly the Margaret baptised at Haltwhistle Presbyterian.

What is your source, please?


Regards   CP

[tazzie]

Hi CEP
             just sheer brilliance......
  well that or trawling through the IGI for the last 3 hours then tried all of UK and the word Haltwhistle leapt out
Is it in Cumberland or Northumberland ?
        Anyway that rush of blood to the head means I need to go and lie down so clocking off for now
               bye TAZZIE