Can't find two of these people

[chloerog]

I'm looking for info on the children Frederick age 19 and lily age 17. I've tried looking on the gro index for there births but have come up with nothing. I know both Head and wife Fred and Emma were married before they married each other. So these two children could be from Fred previous marriage but even then I can't seem to find the same mothers maiden name on GRO. Could it be that Frederick maybe married Lily and they were living at home still?? This is the only possible thing I could think of.

[Ruskie]

Which census is this?
Do you have Frederick and Lily in the previous census?
When did Fred and Emma marry?
Who were Fred and Emma previously married to and when did their spouses die?
What is Emma's maiden name and previous married name?

[panda40]

Looking at the GRO index there is a Frederick McPherson born 1882 registration district St Olave with a mothers maiden name of Barnes.
The census you have posted is 1901 and I agree with the previous post it is always a good idea to post all the information you have to help those who are prepared to search on your behalf.

Regards panda

[rosie99]

It is the 1901 census
Son who died from previous post gives mmn Knox

MCPHERSON, ROBERT  WILLIAM     mmn KNOX     
1898  March Quarter in STEPNEY  Volume 01C  Page 447

[BumbleB]

Census is 1901.

10 November 1889 - St Thomas, Bethnal Green
Frederick Macpherson, 28, widower, Labourer.  Father:  Charles, Fish Smoker
Emma Mills, 21, widow, Chairwoman.  Father:  Thomas Knox, Bricklayer.
Witnesses:  Frederick and Matilda Mills.

[rosie99]

MCPHERSON, EDWIN       KNOX      1895  Sept Quarter in STEPNEY  Volume 01C  Page 408
MCPHERSON, WILLIAM       KNOX      1893  June Quarter in STEPNEY  Volume 01C  Page 442
 

[RayDen]

The 1911 census shows that Frederick & Emma were married in 1889 so Emma was not the mother of Frederick and Lilly.  Frederick was born 1882 and mothers name was Barnes.

MCPHERSON, FREDERICK       BARNES     
GRO Reference: 1882  M Quarter in SAINT OLAVE SOUTHWARK  Volume 01D  Page 260

The only other child with a mother Barnes that I can find is Evelina:

Name:   Mother's Maiden Surname:    
MCPHERSON, EVELINA       BARNES     
GRO Reference: 1886  D Quarter in GREENWICH  Volume 01D  Page 1006
 
Evelina could well be given as Lilly.

Marriage of Fred & Emma:

Name:   Frederick Macpherson
Estimated birth year:   abt 1861
Age:   28
Spouse:   Emma Mills
Spouse Age:   21
Record Type:   Marriage
Event Date:   10 Nov 1889
Parish:   St Thomas, Bethnal Green
Borough:   Tower Hamlets
Father Name:   Charles Macpherson
Spouse Father:   Thomas Knox
Register Type:   Parish Register

Not found the Barnes/McPherson marriage as yet.

[avm228]

I'd be a little cautious about the Southwark birth for Frederick - doesn't match his reported Mile End birthplace (per both 1891 and 1901) and there is another London-born Frederick McPherson of the same age to be found in the 1901 census.

Frederick (senior)'s first marriage, aged 20, may have been to Agnes Pegram, 18, on 6 Aug 1876 at St Paul, Bow Common.  His father: Charles McPherson, labourer.

[RayDen]

The 1891 census has Fred & Emma living with Freds parents and 2 children Frederick  and Jessy.  The original does look like Jessy but could also possibly be Lilly:


Household Members:   
Name   Age
Charles Mc Pherson   66
Prudence Mc Pherson   63
John Mc Pherson   30
Frederick Mc Pherson   36
Emma Mc Pherson   32
Frederick Mc Pherson   8
Jessy Mc Pherson   3