Convict transportation lists?

[stoney]

Hi stoney,
As your request seems to be about Australian history and resources, why have you posted in Common Room?
Would it not be seen by more 'local eyes' on the Australian board.

To save us reading through all your threads, could you link the one which relates to this particular query?
Is it the man HART, or MEYER?

Sue

"If you can't think of what category, country or county your message should come under, then perhaps you could put your message here!"

That's why I put it here - I was just asking for advice about where to look: e.g. Transportation lists FROM Britain, or Convict arrivals IN Australia. So, where would you suggest - UK pages or Australia?

Stoney

[laren]

You will get a lot more knowledge in the Australian boards.

[rosball]

I'm sure you will get good information from both boards Stoney.

It is admirable that you wish to search for yourself 

But why not just tell us a bit about the person you are looking for - name, dob, parents - and we will all help and see what we can find.

Ros

[stoney]

I'm sure you will get good information from both boards Stoney.

It is admirable that you wish to search for yourself 

But why not just tell us a bit about the person you are looking for - name, dob, parents - and we will all help and see what we can find.

Ros

OK - here you go:

Archibald Meyers/Myers/Meyre (different spellings on different documents but all the same individual) - last record in the UK was 1851 census for Wetheral, Cumberland, aged 36, born Scotland. Wife Margaret (Bulman) with 9 children. I found a record of a further child born 1853. His wife remarried in 1857 and I was unable to trace any further details of what had happened to Archibald until a kind RC'er spotted this in a 1855 edition of the Carlisle Patriot:

"Carlisle Patriot July 28 1855
On the 15th December 1854 Mr Hugh Hart, at Castlemaine, Australia, late of Garden Street, London Road, aged 55 years: Same day and place, Archibald Myers, nephew of the above."

(I've previously tried to find out more  - see: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=436028.msg2998727#msg2998727 but that was a good few years ago, a recent enquiry from one of my family members prompted me to try and pick up the search again)

Hugh Hart is mentioned as Archibald's Uncle - but until this point I've not heard any other connection with this person!? So I'm trying to figure out where he fits in.

It would seem they both went out to Australia lured by the gold rush. It must have been quite a desperate thing to up-sticks and leave a wife and 10 children behind - that's why I also wondered if he'd been sent as a convict. Another RC'er had searched passenger lists and at that time could only trace Hugh Hart, but today I see there's confirmation they both arrived in Victoria on the same ship (Thank you, Dundee!!)

I'm very grateful for the generosity and experience of others here and it would be good to resolve this once and for all - if that's at all possible!  I'm glad that he might at last have been found, even if he died so far from home.

Many thanks to all of you!

Stoney

[majm]

I think this thread would really benefit from being on the Australia Board.

The resources listed on the sub-boards on the Australia Board are excellent. 

JM

[majm]

Re Archibald, the nephew ...

The Carlisle Journal, Friday July 27, 1855, page 5.
Deaths
…. At Castlemain, Australia, on the 15th of December, 1854, Mr Hugh Hart, late of Garden Street, London-road, in this city, aged 55 years, same day and place, Mr Archibald Myers, nephew of the above, aged 41 years.

So Archie was 41 years when he died. 

JM

[majm]

  Here is Victoria BDM https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/  It's free to search and you can use wildcards (eg *) .  ..... 

Currently there's a 404 error on that link.

The page you are looking for cannot be found
Welcome to the Department of Justice and Regulation website.
The page you want to visit may have moved, changed address or no longer exists


Perhaps try the following : 
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj

Hugh and Archibald's death registrations are listed there, consecutive reference numbers.

JM

[majm]

Speculating that omeone looking for Hugh may have then discovered the sad news and in turn notified family back in Carlisle.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/4805188 5 March 1855 Argus.
CARLISLE -Hugh Hart will oblige J. Wilkinson, by leaving his address at the office of this paper. 

JM

[rosball]

Sorry about the incomplete link for Vic BDM Stoney

It is so very sad that they died (were killed?) on the same day so soon after arrival.

I have looked at Inquests in Victoria on http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kgm/ without success.

I have looked on trove digital newspapers for a killing or accident or their names in mid December 1854 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ without success.

However December 1854 is a very famous date in Australian history and  I can't help wondering if being gold miners they were involved in the Eureka Stockade.   This occurred on December 3 1854 in Ballarat when the miners protested against miners' fees without representation.   About 30 were killed but others were wounded and went into hiding and died later.   Here is a little background
http://www.australia.gov.au/about-australia/australian-story/eureka-stockade.


Ros

adding : they are not listed here among those killed at Eureka Stockade http://www.ballaratgenealogy.org.au/ballarat-history/eureka/item/342-deaths-at-eureka