Fannie Friedman SCHWARTZ maiden name ? From Russia to USA

[brigidmac]

Update lots more DNA matches now
I think I've found Fannie nee Fellman.

 matches with SHWARTZ spelling
Also came up with surnames Diamond and Gordon
This led me to

Sarah Schwartz 1881 russia d 1941 NY

m. Peter GORDON  1864 LATVIA ( where my ancestors are from )

But she is his second wife so the first 5 GORDON children 1904- 1984
Are children of Fannie MILLER
b  10 THmay 1867 Russia
Father named as Lozer (alternative spelling for my great grandfather)s 1st name
Mother named as Sarah .. difficult to read marriage cert
Why the surname MILLER ? Maybe not married

Peter GORDON s descendants have mother of his children as Shwartz but DNA is linking quite strongly to us 24 cm.

What do you all think ?
If I put it as hypothese on my tree or try contacting some descendats

I don't know how ./if the Friedman name fits

[brigidmac]

Fannie MILLER m Gordon
Has other DNA matches to myself + shared with Ethan
With surnames Latvia Lithuania origins

Fanny who married ?Fried
Then Aaron Shwartz
Is a different woman
Summary ;
 details so far
Aaron Schwartz b1865 Roumania/Russia
Naturalization before 1920

Ist wife Eliza buried with children Esther and Saul
Aged 13 +14 in 1910

Aaron
50 2nd wife Fanny aged 47 in 1920
Saul age 24 wife Esther and children Helen 3 Edith 2 Saul 0

Other children .of Aaron
.Anita 20 Abraham 16 Morris 10 rose 7 lea

3 siblings of Aaron :1896 Morris b
Nellie / Naomi b 1901
Both born Russia
Nita born 1909 USA
*I think we need a separate thread for them

[brigidmac]

Regarding various spellings for potential matches in various countries
from different trees
We have
Ary leib Cohen SHERMAN /SZERMAN   b Poland
 m. Dora SHVARTZ/ SHWARTZ.
RUSSIA 1838

Ryfka CHOJNOWICZ m Abram ZARYWACS 1800 POLAND

1883 Sam SEPERSKY  Russia m Sophie JOSEPH from Romania
Children in Greece !

Bassie SHWARTZ 1900 Russia m
May WEINER. 1891 married Quebec died N
Father b1847 Roumania

SCHATZ from Moldovia m WEINSTEIN from Poland
Children SHWARTZ

Mihaly SZABA b1901 Hungary
Father Antal SHWARTZ

 Which country favours The spelling with C most ?

[brigidmac]

Update details for the  couple living in Brooklyn

Aaron + Fanny  SCHWARTZ given by

Hi. The guy with the DNA connection here:

Part of the issue we're facing is that Nellie/Naomi had a bunch of siblings, all with very common names, some were anglicized from their Hebrew/Yiddish names, others were just chosen arbitrarily.

Fannie's mother:
Chaya Rivka ________ (never immigrated)

Father unknown (never immigrated).  Right now we've got Friedman as the missing surname

Naomi's Parents:
Aaron Schwartz (entered via NYC)
Fannie ________ (entered via NYC)

Naomi (b 1901) (entered via NYC ~1904-1908) 

 Naomi * Nellie was among the oldest children and came here as a toddler.

Jean
Anne
Mo
Morris
Eppie
William
Sophie
Nita (confirmed youngest b USA 1909)

Those are the official siblings, names were given from Naomi's daughter (still living). From what I can tell from this conversation, there is a strong possibility we've combined two families who adopted strikingly similar names.

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According to 1910 census 587 Ames street Aaron b1870 arrived USA 1904
Fanny b 1874 and children arrived 1907

The couple had been married 19 years 9 children .born all living

Everyone born Russia except baby Mary b New York

Children named
1910.                       
Morris15.           
Sophie 14
Moses 13
Annie. 12
Nettie 10
Jennie 9
William8
Mary months

Same children 1920 district 23

Morris 25 railroad conductor

Sophie missing .married ?

Moe 23. Confectioner

Annie 22  saleslady

Nellie 21 this is Naomi
No sign of  Netta/ nita born 1909

Jennie 18 strepper paper box co

William 17 messenger telegraph

Esther 15. Later known as Eppie

Mary 10

Father Aaron SCHWARTZ draper cloaks  Minsk Russia

[brigidmac]

Later records show Fanny and children born
Suralk(Suwalki) RUSSIA  does that lie on old borders ?

In 1930
Harry /Aaron's age 62 age at first marriage 26
Fannie age 52 age married 16 so I don't think she could have had a previous marriage

Children still with them
Moe 31 salesman
 Jean 27 bookkeeper paper box Eppie 25 cashier

[brigidmac]

Found list of manifest
New York passenger list
Arrivenew York 23 oct1907
From Bremen
 Schwartz
Feiga age 32 last address Susvalki
Next of kin Chane Riska ... illegible

She seems to be travelling with 5 girls and 1 boy
The names correspond but eldest 2 boys not with them

Schiffre 10 ( Sophie)
Chane 9 (Annie)
nechane .. difficult to read .. Netta
Sheila 7 (Jennie)
weiwel ? 5 William
Este 3 ,Esther

If anyone can decipher mother's name I.d be grateful

[brigidmac]

Moe's naturalization certificate

says he arrived NY 14 th Oct 1907

He would only have been 10
Elder brother Morris would have been 12

Did they travel together or with family members ?

I wonder why they didn't come with mother and siblings

I think the baby Mary born New York must be the sister referred to as Nita in reply 8

Shows up again as Mary age 10
Kings New York 1920 Bergen Street

[Alex017]

Suwalki is a city in Poland, in the 19th cent. it was Russia.

[brigidmac]

Thanks Alex
I have some dna matches with surnames that could derive from Suwalski which would be another example of a family taking surname from town they lived in