William King, Irish optician in Tottenham

[Meelystar]

Hi everyone

I'm after some help finding some more on this family.
William King b. 1784 in BELFAST. His wife is Mary born in Belfast or DUBLIN 1781-5.
I can only find William on 1851 census living in Tottenham with Mary, he is listed as an optician. He is also listed as an optician on his son's marriage certificate and baptism record.
In 1861 Mary is listed as wife but there is no William present she is described as the wife of an optician however.

They had the following known children -

Jane abt 1811 (age varies) GLASGOW (no baptism located however I think I MAY have found one years ago which I cannot now locate?)
Jane is my direct ancestor, she married Benjamin Lawrence and other than a baptism I have info on her.

Caroline Abt 1821 IPSWICH. She appears in 1851 as a servant, listed with sister Jane and her family.  There are a lot of possibilities for marriage or death nothing likely in Edmonton reg district.

Benjamin 1830, TOTTENHAM. He is listed variously as an engraver, optician, watchmaker and jeweller. He marries Susanna Balaam and I have him up until 1901 census.

There is a likely possibility for 1841, a Mary, Caroline & Benjamin are living together in Tottenham. However William is not present? Mary is a hawker and Caroline is working in a factory.

Can anyone find the missing censuses for William and likely deaths for him and Mary? What happened to Caroline? Were there any further children? I think they could be born any where! There are very large gaps so it seems unlikely that there wasn't. I wondered about the Susan Rowling who witnessed Benjamin's wedding but I haven't had any luck tracing her....

Thanks
Amelia

[MaureeninNY]

Not much but here's a likely death for Mary:

GRO Deaths:
KING, MARY    age 80     
 1861  J Quarter in EDMONTON  Volume 03A  Page 91

Maureen
 

[ciderdrinker]

Benjamin baptised Edmonton All Saints 2nd May 1830 s of William and Mary Traveller of Claremont St born 9th April

Also at Claremont St Susan Ann King born 9th Oct  bapt 13.11.1831 now a carman and Emma 30.1.1833 born 30.12.1832.(buried 5.3.1841 from Orchard St)
George William King bapt  20.9.1840 coach painter Claremont St.(burried 7.3.1841 Claremont St)

Ciderdrinker

[Meelystar]

Thanks for the death reg Maureen, I agree it looks likely.

Benjamin baptised Edmonton All Saints 2nd May 1830 s of William and Mary Traveller of Claremont St born 9th April

Also at Claremont St Susan Ann King born 9th Oct  bapt 13.11.1831 now a carman and Emma 30.1.1833 born 30.12.1832.(buried 5.3.1841 from Orchard St)
George William King bapt  20.9.1840 coach painter Claremont St.(burried 7.3.1841 Claremont St)

Ciderdrinker

ciderdrinker, thanks for that info. The baptism for Benjamin I already had though I hadn't reviewed it recently to note the difference in occupation, I think William must have been a travelling optician hence his only appearing in one census with Mary. However I'm feeling a little doubtful regarding the last unless they were late baptisms as William and Mary look to have been born 1780s. George William in 1840 doesn't seem to be physically possible. I will look into these other children and see what I can find.

[Meelystar]

Ok so George William mmn Risley. So not an illegitimate birth, there could be another son called William though. Will look for a marriage.

Update - marriage in 1838 Edmonton. Trying to find a transcription. A Susannah Rawlings appears on the same page so it's looking promising as a Susan Rowling witnessed Benjamin's marriage and I couldn't find many of them living in London. Guessing that this William having children could be another son of my William King.

[Meelystar]

Ok looks like William King and Mary Risley are unconnected. His father is given Richard King, a labourer.

[jonwarrn]

Throw this in, just in case
Edmonton Union Workhouse in 1861
King William, Inmate, Married, 80, Pedlar, born Ireland Belfast
(piece 797 folio 145 page 2)

There is a death in Edmonton, Dec 1861, 3a 98, William King, age 84
John

[jonwarrn]

thanks for that info.

You're welcome.

[Meelystar]

Throw this in, just in case
Edmonton Union Workhouse in 1861
King William, Inmate, Married, 80, Pedlar, born Ireland Belfast
(piece 797 folio 145 page 2)

There is a death in Edmonton, Dec 1861, 3a 98, William King, age 84
John

Thanks looks like a possiblity. However not convinced he would be described as a pedlar judging by the fact that his son was a watchmaker I would presume that William was skilled in his profession.

Can anyone see a likely baptism for Jane in Glasgow?