WILLIAM BENNETT - Convict or not?

[wivenhoe]

From reply#12             

 Informant G T Bennett son Park Ave Drummoyne  (for death certificate William BENNETT, d.1904 NSW)

NSW Police Gazette 15 Aug 1906
Balmain Bench...38 years, a painter, George Thomas BENNETT ...desertion...complainant Alice BENNETT Park Street Drummoyne....

"..William 50 is the son of Harriett Manser..."   (but William BENNETT is not his father?)

What do you know about Harriet before her marriage to William BENNETT?

From reply #12
.....Lavinia  wife of Robert OWENS
.....Maria wife of HR CONNOLLY
.....Mary known as Emma wife of Patrick FARRELL
.....George Thomas married Elizabeth COOMBE             (did he marry Alice?)

Daily Telegraph 5 Jun 1893 p8
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/236034009?
death notice for James BENNETT...
..W and H BENNETT...their son...
..W A and E BENNETT....brother...
..George and Alice BENNETT....brother...   (Alice BENNETT again?)
..H and E CONNOLLY...brother...


Field of Mars burials  with date of death, Roman Catholic, Section A, adjoining plots -
   
BENNETT       William                16/08/1904      #276
FARRELL        Francis  Henry      25/09/1912      #275
BENNETT       Harriet                 17/07/1913      #276
FARRELL        Bertram  George    02/03/1926     #275
BENNETT       George  Thomas    10/12/1927      #273
BENNETT       Alice                     29/08/1941      #272
BENNETT       George  William     28/04/1948      #273
CONNOLLY    Mary  Emma          02/07/1949       #274 
BENNETT      Grace  Maria          15/09/1954       #273
FARRELL       Maria  Jane            09/01/1957       #275

NSW BDM marr
2238/1881 BENNETT William A    marr.   COOMBE Eliza   @ Newtown

[Megan Hodges]

There's something else odd James Bennett no birth entry and on Wm's DC no mention I am assuming the mention of 1 male deceased relates to Frederick who died 1873.  I wonder if he was also born prior to Wm & Harriet's marriage in 1856 and George (informant on DC) was being all high and mighty about children of marriage.

I got the information wrong as regards George which came from cousin it states he married Ellen Lyle Burns, not Alice so I'll look into that more.

All I know on Harriet is that she was born in Essex 1835 parents Stephen Manser d 1851 mother Dorothy Ransom remarried.

Megan

[Jamjar]

Some children of George and Alice:

5537/1892 Pearl E BALMAIN
1390/1896 Irene E BALMAIN SOUTH
5506/1893 Emma D BALMAIN
12725/1905 Florence F DRUMMOYNE

Children deaths:

2877/1893 Pearl E BENNETT BALMAIN WEST

7045/1948 George William BENNETT SYDNEY - Death and funeral notices - http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18069751
*Possibly wife of George: BENNETT Elsie Vera Death notice 5-10-1984 Death 83 late of Peakhurst   Sydney Morning Herald 8-10-1984

17129/1954 Grace Maria BURNICLE BALMAIN - Death and funeral notices for Grace and husband- http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18454330
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18454330

Also buried in A 273 (with Bennetts): Burnicle Arthur John 11-9-1989 And Burnicle Dorothea 27-9-1992

11945/1960 Myrtle Georgina DOHERTY BALMAIN
DOHERTY Myrtle Georgine Death notice 6-5-1960 Death 62 late of Drummoyne Sydney Morning Herald 7-5-1960
DOHERTY Joseph Michael Death notice   2-7-1964 Death 65 late of Drummoyne Sydney Morning Herald   4-7-1964   
Macquarie Park Cemetery: Doherty Myrtle Georgina 6-5-1960 VAUGHAN CATHOLIC LAWN, ROW 7, Grave 0050
Doherty Joseph Michael 2-7-1964 VAUGHAN CATHOLIC LAWN, ROW 7, Grave 0050   

36870/1965 Florence Ethel BECKINSALE BURWOOD
BECKINSALE Florence Ethel Death notice 28-11-1965 Death 60 at Earlwood Sydney Morning Herald   30-11-1965
BECKINSALE Eric William Death notice 27-10-1971 Death 69 late of Earlwood   Sydney Morning Herald   28-10-1971

17016/1981 Gertrude Mary TAPLIN
TAPLIN  Gertrude Mary Death notice 26-7-1981 Death 77 late of Drummoyne Sydney Morning Herald   28-7-1981
TAPLIN Sidney Arthur Death notice 22-6-1991 Death 87 late of Drummoyne Sydney Morning Herald   24-6-1991
Northern Suburbs Memorial Gardens - plaque photos: http://www.heavenaddress.com/restingplace/northernsuburbsmemorialgardens/gertrude-mary-taplin/749807
http://www.heavenaddress.com/restingplace/northernsuburbsmemorialgardens/sidney-a-taplin/767908

Emma remarried: Emma Clemens died in 1974 aged 80 and is buried with husband George at Aramoho Cemetery, Wanganui. RC B ROW 2 PLOT 219. (Taken from online source)

http://www.whanganui.govt.nz/our-services/cemeteries-and-crematorium/Pages/Cemetery-Search.aspx?surname=Clemens

Thomas Simpson death notice in NZ: https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19410729.2.3?query=Balks

Funeral notice: https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19410729.2.5?query=Balks
In Memoriam: https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19430728.2.7?query=Balks

Children marriages:

5626/1912 Grace M BENNETT to Arthur J BURNICLE DRUMMOYNE

9838/1914 Irene A BENNETT to  Albert E FISHER DRUMMOYNE
* An online source suggests that Irene left Albert, went to NZ with two daughters and she died there.

4889/1915 Emma D BENNETT to Thomas S BALES (should be BALKS, I believe) NEW LAMBTON
* Emma remarried to George Clemens in NZ, sometime before 1957.

14209/1922 Myrtle C BENNETT to Joseph E DOHERTY DRUMMOYNE

9949/1924 Florence BENNETT to Eric W BECKINSALE DRUMMOYNE

1229/1927 George  W BENNETT to Elsie V M RAYMENT CANTERBURY

15973/1928 Gertrude M BENNETT to Sydney A TAPLIN DRUMMOYNE



13952/1941 Alice BENNETT parents William and Alice SYDNEY

In Memoriam for Alice mentions daughters: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17812495

Alice's death and funeral notices: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17764751

Alice's death notice in NZ paper: https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19410830.2.5?query=Balks

Jamjar

[Dundee]

Perhaps this is William's baptism:

MANSEN, WILLIAM A
4397/1853
V18534397 40
Mother: HARRIET

Volume 40 is C of E.

The family arrived in 1839:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DBYQ-BCL?cc=1542665

As always the handwriting on the original is atrocious, but Stephen's baptism confirms the correct birthplace:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KFGX-2XK

The religion for both Stephen and Dorothy is stated as 'Chapel', not R.C.

Sorry, I haven't answered your question either. 

Debra 

[Dundee]

Stephen's brother Thomas and family arrived in 1841.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DBYQ-GLM?cc=1542665

Debra 

[majm]

Hi Ruskie,
William stated that he was 35 at time of marriage to Harriett who was only 21, maybe didn't want to be seen as 20 years older than her.  They both made their mark, he also stated that his father was a labourer and that he was from England.  No parent names were given by him.  transcription states that birthplace/age & parent details were from the church register so can't go looking there for any more info.

Essex is mentioned on both the convict records and death certificate.
Megan

and

Thanks Judith for that indepth reply, I have some of that information I will follow up with the marriage although on the transcription it states that birthplace/age/parent details were obtained from church register No. 54.
I think your last entry sums it up William if he was a convict went through a transformation that's why I don't think he was a convict.

 
Yes you can check further on the parish registers.   

It can take up to five registers for all the details to be discovered, so depending on which register was made available to the NSW BDM back 100 or so years ago, it is entirely possible that there is further information given by the prospective bride and groom to the clergyman when they were organising their marriage.   

Some questions 
What info is actually on the marriage registration that you currently hold?   Is it a full official transcription or a partial transcription?  If it is a partial transcription, what info was ordered to be transcribed?  What denomination, who were the witnesses, and is there a blank for the details of both sets of parents or just for William's parents ...

JM

[wivenhoe]

SMH 30 Aug 1941 p22
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17764751?
...death notice for Alice BENNETT Sacred Heart Hospice Darlinghurst...mother of Grace, Emma, Irene, Myrtle, George, Gertrude, Florence....

NSW BDM finds birth record for Pearl (dec), Emma, Irene............Florence.
What is birthplace of Myrtle, George and Gertrude? Births not recorded (NSW) or are they born out of NSW?

NSW BDM births
6603 / 1882 BENNETT  Laurence A parents William / Eliza   @ Newtown
5620 / 1892 BENNETT  Maud A      parents William / Eliza   @ Balmain

NSW BDM deaths
30976/1960    BENNETT  Frederick William R parents William Alfred R / Eliza  @ Balmain
14765 / 1919  BENNETT  Maud  A parents William / Eliz  @ Balmain North

SMH 19 Jul 1919 p9
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15861048?
death notices for Maud Ashley BENNETT...
names mentioned...Mrs Alice BENNETT...Mr and Mrs Henry CONNOLLY....residence of sister Mrs David KELLER 25 The Avenue East Balmain....

NSW BDM marriage
832/1907 BENNETT Ethel M  m. KELLER David  E  Balmain North

[wivenhoe]

This death notice, from my reply #18, is worth reading as the word "nephew" is also used....by everyone.

Daily Telegraph 5 Jun 1893 p8
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/236034009?
death notice for James BENNETT...
..W and H BENNETT...their son...
..W A and E BENNETT....brother...
..George and Alice BENNETT....brother...   (Alice BENNETT again?)
..H and E CONNOLLY...brother...

Rookwood Catholic Cemetery
BENNETT James       33    05/06/1893    SEC*M1*LBL1**167
BENNETT Herbert     10    05/06/1893    SEC*M1*LBL1**167
BENNETT James       15    23/07/1908    SEC*M1*LBL1**168 

[wivenhoe]

James J BENNETT and son Herbert BENNETT died together in a boating accident. Six men and one boy died.

The Australian Star 5 Jun 1893 p5
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/227184690?

John Daly, a retired dealer, living at M'Donaldtown......identified....James Bennett, his son-in-law ; and Robert Bennett, son of James Bennett. James Bennett was 39, and lived with his wife and family at St. Peters. He has left two children alive. He had left no property behind . him. He was a brickmaker.