MCDONALD of Rouchel, NSW

[Jamjar]

Blackbutt is both an Eucalyptus tree species and a town in Queensland.

Jamjar...I was meaning no Scottish connection 

Sometimes theories like mine do work but sadly not this time 

Annie

Yes Annie, I know. I just thought you may be interested in what the connection may have been. 

Jamjar

[majm]

I have received an email asking me to consider adding to this thread.  I had turned off notifications after my reply (#130) and without being aware of an addendum to reply # 128, which apparently has since been further edited removing the addendum that may have referred to myself and my elderly relatives.   

I will continue to leave the notifications turned off.  Here’s the live links to lpi’s guides re land title searchings.  These should be of benefit to anyone marrying up NSW BDM information, NSW Supreme Court Probate files, and  NSW LPI historic Parish Maps and NSW LPI Land Title deeds and NSW Geographical Names Registers.

http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/land_titles/historical_research
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http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/land_titles/historical_research/parish_maps

http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/publications/search_guides

Brief History of the Records of the Reg-General
http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/publications/search_guides  (27 pages)

First Stop Guide to Records of the Reg Gen
http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0013/150700/First_Stop_Guide.pdf
(24 pages

Old System http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0018/150705/Old_System_information.pdf
(66 pages)


Searching the Reg Gen’s Maps and Plans
http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/150706/Searching_RG_Maps_Plans.pdf
(46 pages)

Torrens title info
http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/150707/Torrens_title_information.pdf
(30 pages)

I have started a new topic giving live links to these valuable guides from the lpi.   I am sure there’s many an RChatter who remembers the haphazard way family history buffs were given access to the Reg Gen records in earlier times. 

Also Re Stonefield and Bon Accord and Scottish connections  etc...  err ... Aberdeen NSW is one of the nearby townships to those properties .... 

JM

[EBrand]

Hi everyone.

Thank you all for your help thus far, you are all very kind for spending your time on my quest
Study has basically finished so I'm more or less back on the family history bandwagon.
I haven't had many new advances with the McDonald search after the receival of Finlay's death certificate but will work my way through your replies and all the links and advice you've given me.
I cannot thank you all enough!

[rosball]

Welcome back EB    Hope the exams went well 

I will order a check and verify on the other Catherine McDonald who died on 17 Nov 1868 (reg 464/1868).  Adding : ordered 

Just re-reading the thread to refresh my memory.  There were a few probates which I haven't photographed yet (limit of 16 per visit) so I will fit in a few more on next visit.

Ros

[majm]

Welcome back EB    Hope the exams went well 

I will order a check and verify on the other Catherine McDonald who died on 17 Nov 1868 (reg 464/1868).  Adding : ordered 

Just re-reading the thread to refresh my memory.  There were a few probates which I haven't photographed yet (limit of 16 per visit) so I will fit in a few more on next visit.

Ros

Good to know your exams are behind you.   

http://www.austcemindex.com/inscription?id=2994945#images
http://www.austcemindex.com/cemetery?cemid=225
17 Nov 1868
From the New England Highway at East Maitland, turn north-west onto the Morpeth Road. Follow this for approximately 1.3km to Hiland Crescent. The cemetery is 400m from that intersection at its junction with Maize Street.

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Re NSW BDM REF 464/1868 Deaths   (the online search option for date of event gives all of 1868 for that event, ie not just 17 November 1868, but any date in that year– there are known flaws in the index, and other RChatters have previously mentioned these ‘date’ issues).
464/1868 – TWICE indexed :
Catherine MACDONALD/MCDONALD parents given names displayed as James and Bedelia, registered Sydney BDM district.

 I expect that 464/1868 registration may be for the following Catherine McDonald. 

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13164538 SMH 13 April 1868
On Sunday, the 12th instant, at her residence, the Colonial Architect’s Department, Hyde Park, Catherine, relict of the late Mr Patrick McDonald, in the fifty first year of her age

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13164600  SMH 14 April 1868
Funeral
The friends of the late Mrs Catherine McDonald are invited to attend her funeral; the procession to move from St Marys temporary Cathedral this (Tuesday) afternoon at 3 o’clock


JM

[EBrand]

Welcome back EB    Hope the exams went well 

I will order a check and verify on the other Catherine McDonald who died on 17 Nov 1868 (reg 464/1868).  Adding : ordered 

Just re-reading the thread to refresh my memory.  There were a few probates which I haven't photographed yet (limit of 16 per visit) so I will fit in a few more on next visit.

Ros

Thanks Ros! There seem to be so many MacDonalds/McDonalds in the area it is driving me a little crazy! I hope to hear soon about that other Catherine. I was wondering whether there were any websites or anything that is specific to the NSW area that aids people in searching for distant relatives? My hope is if I find someone else with the same roots as me, I might be able to uncover some information I never knew existed. It seems a little far fetched and probably not possible but it's something I'm willing to try.

EB

[EBrand]

Good to know your exams are behind you.   

http://www.austcemindex.com/inscription?id=2994945#images
http://www.austcemindex.com/cemetery?cemid=225
17 Nov 1868
From the New England Highway at East Maitland, turn north-west onto the Morpeth Road. Follow this for approximately 1.3km to Hiland Crescent. The cemetery is 400m from that intersection at its junction with Maize Street.

……………………..


Re NSW BDM REF 464/1868 Deaths   (the online search option for date of event gives all of 1868 for that event, ie not just 17 November 1868, but any date in that year– there are known flaws in the index, and other RChatters have previously mentioned these ‘date’ issues).
464/1868 – TWICE indexed :
Catherine MACDONALD/MCDONALD parents given names displayed as James and Bedelia, registered Sydney BDM district.

 I expect that 464/1868 registration may be for the following Catherine McDonald. 

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13164538 SMH 13 April 1868
On Sunday, the 12th instant, at her residence, the Colonial Architect’s Department, Hyde Park, Catherine, relict of the late Mr Patrick McDonald, in the fifty first year of her age

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13164600  SMH 14 April 1868
Funeral
The friends of the late Mrs Catherine McDonald are invited to attend her funeral; the procession to move from St Marys temporary Cathedral this (Tuesday) afternoon at 3 o’clock


JM

Thanks JM! The newspaper articles are looking unlikely for my Catherine. I originally thought it could be a lead if she had remarried but I remembered that she was buried with Finlay, which wouldn't have made sense if she had remarried. I'm seriously thinking about contacting the Scone Family History Board, it's probably my best bet at the moment, and I'll let the forum know what info it turns up!

Thank you so much for your help,
EB.

[rosball]

Just out of interest, there is a death registered in Scone on 19 November 1868

Female McDONALD, parents William and Ann at Scone reg 6518/1868

This is most probably a baby but I suppose there is a small possibility that the name was too difficult to read when the index was created ...  ?

Ros

[majm]

Also, I have been told that Finlay and Catherine were buried in a roadside grave, possibly the reason why I cannot find mention of their burial anywhere. Further, I can't find a newspaper article that mentions either their death or their burial.

.... I do know the supposed death dates for Finlay and Catherine, and that is the 29th of Nov 1866 and the 19th of November 1868. ...

...
NB NSW BDM death certificates include details of burial (or cremation) and have done so since civil registration commenced in 1856.  I would expect a roadside burial to be noted on the dc.  BUT ... if there was a coroner's enquiry, in the second half of the 19th C it is possible that the burial order was not followed up with a formal registration of the death, particularly if in rural NSW where due to sparse population, it may be several years between inquests and not everyone remembered the formal paperwork processes.   

Hi,

Using the “Date of Event” option at NSW BDM online index, I can find that index has the following for 17 – 18 -19 November 1868.

Registered Scone district:
Female MCDONALD (and as Macdonald), parents as William and Ann #6518   

Registered Maitland district
Catherine MCDONALD, (and as Macdonald) father as John, died Maitland  #4874

Registered Sydney district
Catherine McDONALD, (and as Macdonald) parents as James and Bedelia  #464

Using same option re dates  (Nov 1866 etc)
Finley MCDONALD (and as Macdonald), aged 70 years, died Scone, registered Scone #6568.

I would expect that these official records (or official transcriptions of them) would include details of their burials.

JM

Just out of interest, there is a death registered in Scone on 19 November 1868

Female McDONALD, parents William and Ann at Scone reg 6518/1868

This is most probably a baby but I suppose there is a small possibility that the name was too difficult to read when the index was created ...  ?

Ros

ADD

Finlay and Catherine MCDONALD's burial information:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVB6-LHKB

JM

https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/52732?availability=Family%20History%20Library

Microfilm of original records in possession of (JM REMOVES NAME OF POSSIBLE LIVING PERSON), Cardiff Heights, New South Wales.

Contains cemetery transcriptions from various cemeteries in Scone Shire.

Contents: Gundy Presbyterian, 1874-1918 -- Moonan Brook General, 1875- 1963 -- Moonan Flat Private, 1878-1927 -- Scone "St. Luke's" Church of England, 1812-1837 -- Scone "St. Mary's" Catholic, 1857-1919 -- Bunnan "St. Jude's" Church of England, 1887-1969 -- Brushy Hill, 1910-1942 -- Rouchel General, 1825-1968 -- Sparke's Creek "Karoona" Private, 1876-1887 -- Gundy "St. Matthew's", 1872-1934 -- Upper Rouchel two isolated graves, 1866-1868 -- Turanville Private, 1838-1888.


Perhaps our OP may consider following up on the original records re those two Upper Rouchel isolated graves 

JM