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Re: Mary Polin Greenwich 1939
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 10 June 17 23:34 BST (UK) »
Mary Theresa Harris, Housewife, of 13 Fairlawn Court, SE7 was buried in Greenwich Cemetery in a common plot B252 on 12 January 1956.
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Re: Mary Polin Greenwich 1939
« Reply #19 on: Friday 16 June 17 20:46 BST (UK) »
I followed this thread and read your other regarding Frederick Charles Harris b.29/1/1912 and how you were surprised to find he was 'married' on the 1939 register and believe he died in WW2.

I appreciate all you have said about his family and that they said he was killed in the war.

However, there was only the one Frederick C. Harris birth in Mar.qtr.1912 Norfolk and that is definitely your man (mmn Mears).

Having established via different sources that there was no death for a Frederick C. Harris b.1912 during the war years in UK or on CWGC doubts were expressed that did he indeed die then. 

As a result of this I noted a Frederick C. Harris death in Fakenham regn. district in Dec.1966 whose born was 1912 - I decided to send for the death certificate because this whole scenario kept going round and round in my head.

The certificate arrived today - Frederick Charles Harris aged 54 of 6 Waveney Road, Hunstanton, Norfolk died 17/10/1966.   His occupation is 'Dining Car Attendant' and the informant of his death is a G R Harris, son of same address.

You must admit, the occupation matches what you know of Frederick Charles i.e. working for the railway and a waiter in railway hotel in 1939.

Frederick Charles Harris appears to have married an Ethel F. Ginn in Dec.qtr.1936 Docking, Norfolk - in 1939 you know he was in a hotel in London, and Ethel is shown living in Hunstanton.   There are 3 closed records who may or may not have been children of theirs - there were certainly children born after 1939 one of whom has the initials G R (I won't name as probably still living) born in 1942.   Another son in 1946 with initials L C (the L being the Christian name of one of your Frederick's brothers).

On paper, everything we now know about this Frederick Charles Harris matches the details of your man.   You say the family were very closeknit etc. but perhaps something happened and he became estranged from his family because of this and it was easier for them to explain away that he'd died during the war (of which there is no trace) to account for his absence in the family.   Can only hypothesize of course but with a closeknit family like this they'd surely have known precisely when/where he died rather than a vague 'he died in the war'.   Perhaps the family didn't approve of his wife for some reason and this caused the initial 'rift'.  Certainly, you yourself were surprised to see he was married when you found him on the 1939 Register in London, hence this thread regarding Mary Polin who you were considering may have been said wife.

I feel certain that the man who died in Hunstanton in 1966 is indeed your man - that he married Ethel F. Ginn in 1936 Docking and when your man is living/working in London in a railway hotel in 1939 she is living as head of the household in Hunstanton with possible child/children (incorrectly transcribed as Ethel T. rather than Ethel F.).

I wasn't sure whether to post this on your Frederick Charles Harris thread of last year but in the end decided as this was your most recent thread regarding him and the subject being considered as a possible 'wife' for him that perhaps it was more prudent to post it here.

I can't make you believe me, of course, but I certainly feel there was more to the situation than the family revealed and that your Frederick was indeed the man who died in Hunstanton in 1966.

Annette
 
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Re: Mary Polin Greenwich 1939
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 17 June 17 21:54 BST (UK) »
But for Frederick C Harris in Norfolk  there is only -
Birth, March 1912 Downham - mother Mears
Marriage, Dec 1936 Docking - to Ethel F Ginn
Death, Dec 1966 Fakenham - age 54

Wonderful gesture from Annette to get the death certificate, she did a similar thing recently for someone else. Take my hat off to her.
Disappointed to find out that Anne seems to have rejected what I and others said on the other thread, including the Hunstanton link.

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Re: Mary Polin Greenwich 1939
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 17 June 17 23:23 BST (UK) »
Thank you for your kind comments, jonw65 - my sending for the death certificate was purely for my own sanity.   Everything pointed to FCH being the man who died in Hunstanton so wanted to see what details of this man were, his occupation, whether married, etc.  Did he bear any resemblance to the man with same name born 29/1/1912?

When I saw his occupation was 'Dining Car Attendant' it was surely him - what are the odds of 2 men with the exact same name, both born 1912, following the same type of occupation?   

I would suggest AnneToday obtains the marriage certificate for Frederick Charles Harris and Ethel F. Ginn which will answer the question once and for all.   

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Re: Mary Polin Greenwich 1939
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 18 June 17 00:06 BST (UK) »

When I saw his occupation was 'Dining Car Attendant' it was surely him - what are the odds of 2 men with the exact same name, both born 1912, following the same type of occupation?   

I would suggest AnneToday obtains the marriage certificate for Frederick Charles Harris and Ethel F. Ginn which will answer the question once and for all.   

Annette

 

Well done,Annette! Talk about RAOGKsanity. ;)

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Re: Mary Polin Greenwich 1939
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 18 June 17 08:28 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for your replies and your investigations, but I have been deep in other matters and have not checked the Forum for several days.

A special thank you to you, Annette7, for your time and efforts, and your cost.

Give me a little while and I'll look into all the information you've given me and see what I can put together and come back when I can add something to the jigsaw.  Sadly there is now no-one alive to ask the obvious questions.

Anne
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Lock(e), Hayes, Wherrill, Bunce - Wiltshire
Taylor, Nall, Ward, Hazard, Berkeley, Dent - Derbyshire, Flower, Simms - Somerset.

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Re: Mary Polin Greenwich 1939
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 18 June 17 09:12 BST (UK) »

I would suggest AnneToday obtains the marriage certificate for Frederick Charles Harris and Ethel F. Ginn which will answer the question once and for all.   

Annette

 

AnneToday, all you need to do now is to spend £9-25 from the GRO on the marriage cert of Frederick and Ethel (using the details below) and it will answer your questions,which to me looks like an open and shut case!

Marriages Dec 1936   

Ginn    Ethel F   to Harris    Docking    4b   886    

Harris    Frederick C   to  Ginn    Docking    4b   886    

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Re: Mary Polin Greenwich 1939
« Reply #25 on: Monday 26 February 18 17:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi Annetoday,

Hope you are still checking this thread. Did you ever get the 1936 marriage cert,and did it confirm anything for you. It's nice to know if we've been barking up the correct tree with all our hard work.

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Re: Mary Polin Greenwich 1939
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 15 March 18 04:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Probably not relevant now but, Mary Theresa Polin born 1906 to Matthew Polin and Mary Catherine Braniff was my husbands Great Aunt. My husband was born in Australia and never met Mary. There is family still living in London related to Mary. Mary's parents were very strict Catholic's and never attended their son Hugh's wedding or have anything to do with his children (my mother in law), as Hugh did not marry a Catholic or raise in children in there church, so our branch don't know a great deal. There are descendants of Mary and Hugh's other siblings that did stay in touch with the family in London.
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