James MILLER - updated

[Rosinish]

"Margaret Stein married Walter Scott 1865 Auchterarder James Miller is with them in the 1871/1881 census ...James Miller is with Margaret Stein and her mother Janet Caw or McKintosh in the 1861 census in Auchterarder"

Rosie,

Do you know what James' relationship was recorded as on those census'?

Annie

[rosie17]

Hi Annie in the 1861 census he was recorded as grandson ...1871/1881 he is recorded as boarder
1891 He is down as James M Scott ( son )

Rosie

[Rosinish]

Rosie,

Sorry, does it give where he was born (apart from Perthshire) & what was his age on each?

If born illegitimate to Margaret Stein he would have the surname Stein on his BC.
If the father (presumably Miller) was present, he would have the father's surname on his BC.
If the latter was true, he would be indexed on SP under both Stein & Miller which he isn't.

Strange he's recorded as 'Boarder' having previously been down as G/son 

Annie

[isobelw]

In the 1871 census he is age 11, born Perthshire, Auchterarder. The family are living in Perth at that point. They have moved to West Derby by 1881 where he is given as age 10 born Scotland.
Isobel

[rosie17]

1861 Census address Crown Hotel Auchterarder
Janet Caw age 50 b Dunkeld Perth ( cotton winder )
Margaret Sheen (Margaret Caw ) age 21 b Methven Perth ( daughter)
James Miller age 7 born Auchterarder ( grandson )
Andrew Mcrea age 70 boarder

1871 Census address 146,High Street Perth Burgh
Walter Scott age 27 (butcher )
Margaret Scott (Caw ) age 30
James Scott age 5 b Lochee Forforshire
Jessie Scott age 3 b St Leonards Perthshire
David Scott age 1 b Dunning Perthshire
Janet Caw age 53 b Methven Perthshire ( mother in law )
James Miller age 11 b Auchterarder ( boarder )
Other census records they are in England

Rosie

[isobelw]

I wonder if James Miller was 7 months rather than 7 in the 1861 census?
Isobel

[Rosinish]

This has me confused 

1861 Census address Crown Hotel Auchterarder
Janet Caw age 50 b Dunkeld Perth ( cotton winder )
Margaret Sheen (Margaret Caw ) age 21 b Methven Perth ( daughter)
James Miller age 7 born Auchterarder ( grandson )
Andrew Mcrea age 70 boarder

1871 Census address 146,High Street Perth Burgh
Walter Scott age 27 (butcher )
Margaret Scott (Caw ) age 30
James Scott age 5 b Lochee Forforshire
Jessie Scott age 3 b St Leonards Perthshire
David Scott age 1 b Dunning Perthshire
Janet Caw age 53 b Methven Perthshire ( mother in law )
James Miller age 11 b Auchterarder ( boarder )
Other census records they are in England

Then...

They have moved to West Derby by 1881 where he is given as age 10

1861 aged 7 (b 1854) G/son
1871 aged 11 (b 1860) Boarder
1881 aged 10 (b 1871) Boarder

Something not adding up there....but what 

Annie


Added....Isobel, I wondered that too but that doesn't account for the 1881 entry 

I've been to nights out at the Crown Hotel, Auchterarder but over a century later (1980s)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/thedouglascampbellshow/5099777559

[isobelw]

Sorry 1881 should be 20, not 10!
According to Findmypast and the index to the 1861 census on SP the James Miller living in Auchterarder with Janet Caw is age 1 ( not 7). This ties in with age on later census entries.
Isobel

[Rosinish]

Thanks Isobel,

That would/could/should tie in with....STEEN JAMES (1859)     329/ 124     Auchterarder   

Annie