James MILLER - updated

[Rosinish]

Thank you all, especially Rosinish

I can't take the credit for that as it was info. from Rosie & Isobel which lead me there.

Glad to help all the same 


Annie

[trish1120]

Someone in the Family may have known he was illeg. Stein/Steen sounds German.
That may be where the Family Law German connection comes in.

Excellent work Ladies

[rosie17]

Thank you all, especially Rosinish, I reckon this is my relative's birth certificate. He was born October 1859. And Margaret married Walter Scott in 1863. She was 25 and he was 22. Must have been a nice man or maybe she was lovely.

Now I can try to sort out the forward and backward from there! I'll keep you posted

Did you get a copy of the birth certificate ? just curious to see if the fathers name is mentioned

Rosie

[rosie17]

1851 Census address Michaels Close Kinross
Janet Mcintosh age 35 born Methven Perth ( outdoor labourer)
Margaret Steen age 11 born Dunkeld Perth (daughter )
Thomas Caw age 53 born Kincardine ( journeyman shoemaker )

Rosie

[Forfarian]

Someone in the Family may have known he was illeg. Stein/Steen sounds German.
That may be where the  German connection comes in.

Or maybe someone just saw Stein and thought it must be German?

Steenson or Steinson (pronounced steen-son to rhyme with 'been' or 'seen') is a variant of Stevenson.

The German word or name 'Stein' is pronounced to rhyme with 'mine' or 'fine' which is rather different. Also the 'st' at the beginning would be pronounced 'Sht' in German.

'Shtyne' is a very different sound from 'steen'.

[isobelw]

Unusually, the SP index seems to be wrong for the 1865 marriage of Margaret Stein. Her groom is clearly Walker ( not Walter) Scott, which matches with later census entries. He was the son of James Scott, Field Labourer, and Mary Scott nee Wedderspoon. Margaret is described as the daughter of William Stein, Field Labourer ( dec'd) and Janet Stein nee McIntosh. The witnesses names are not very clear but I think one of them may be James Zimmerman ( which would suggest German roots perhaps). I think the other might be Agnes Scrimger. I'll try and post scans.
Isobel

[isobelw]

Scans from 1865 marriage certificate

[rosie17]

Good one Isobel yes he does appear a Walker in other census records quite a mix up with family names .We certainly have a selection   

Rosie

[higgypee]

I have been searching for HOURS on Scotland's people trying to find the family on the 1861 census with no joy. I have found the record on Ancestry but that doesn't match up with anything in Scotland. From ancestry I have the roll number (CSSCT1861_47) is there any way that I can use that? The birth certificate says illegitimate, no mention of father and he is named James Steen. I want to get hold of the 1861 census and then move on from there. I am also interested to find out when the name changed to Miller. Family legend has it that the original was Muller. Any tips on getting hold of the 1861 census when a search for Janet Caw, James Miller and Andrew Mcrea in Auchterarder returns no results no matter how I fiddle with spellings and variants. I could quite possibly get even more mad than usual.