CATTLE, emanuel and phoebe

[busynana]

Answer to rosie99 - I think it is. I've been told his birth name was John Hill Bale but the only way I can verify it is by reading the 1891 and 1901 censuses.

Answer to ev - It is possible they moved to the USA but I have no information about it at all.

Also, they had one son, Thomas John Cattle (born in 1905), who was staying with his Grandmother Margaret according to the 1911 census. I don't know why he was left behind.

I think it is the same but agree about changing his name at that age. There is an Elizabeth A Bale on the 1891 census who works for William A Hill. Curious!

If anyone has evidence, can you please let me know how I can obtain copies.

Any information is welcome and thanks for the quick responses. 

[trish1120]

Marriage Reg June 1904 Swansea, 11a 1511
Phoebe HOPKINS on page but 1 male spouse missing.

Birth Reg Gro Index;
CATTLE, THOMAS  JOHN, Mother mn HOPKINS***
GRO Reference: 1905  J Quarter in NEATH  Volume 11A  Page 1016

[trish1120]

Cant find a Marriage for John/ Margaret either

[busynana]

Cant find a Marriage for John/ Margaret either

Thanks, trish1120. I have Thomas's birth cert and it names Emanuel and Phoebe. I'll have to order a copy of the marriage certs for John and Margaret and Emanuel and Phoebe. There's a story here!

[trish1120]

Yes there is a story

I would get the M/C of Phoebe Hopkins and Birth Cert of John Hill Bale.
Hopefully John HB has a Mother Elizabeth A Bale

[hanes teulu]

A very warm welcome to Rootschat

Welsh newspapers on line   http://newspapers.library.wales

click on link and put "emannel cattle" in search field (note spelling and include "   " as part of search key). The snippet returned confirms the adoption.

At the moment clicking on headline "THEFT OF SILVER AT ALLTWEN" delivers original newspaper page but the article (last entry in end column) is not easy to read. Also tab down to last entry in column "37 articles on this page"

[trish1120]

The plot thickens

[trish1120]

Better feed the animals and myself, back later.

[busynana]

A very warm welcome to Rootschat

Welsh newspapers on line   http://newspapers.library.wales

click on link and put "emannel cattle" in search field (note spelling and include "   " as part of search key). The snippet returned confirms the adoption.

At the moment clicking on headline "THEFT OF SILVER AT ALLTWEN" delivers original newspaper page but the article (last entry in end column) is not easy to read. Also tab down to last entry in column "37 articles on this page"

Thank you so much; awesome! I think it's him. I don't think it's a formal adoption as they didn't happen before 1927. He could have used either name by the look of it. I'll keep searching the newspapers.