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Trouble deciphering place name in 1851 Census
« on: Tuesday 23 May 17 13:29 BST (UK) »
Dear All,
I attach a screenshot of a section of the 1851 Census. The image shows the birthplace of my nth great-grandfather James William (Oddington, Gloucestershire) and his wife Mary Williams, nee Keen. I just cannot decipher the name of the village/town where she was born. Censuses from other years are no help either - 1841: just Oxfordshire; 1861: completely mis-transcribed as Brighton, Sussex; 1871: Oddington, Gloucestershire (a duplication of her husband's birthplace) and I believe they were both dead by 1881.
I would be extremely grateful for any help in deciphering the name.
Many thanks.
Purdie
Researching:
Gallon/McKenzie/Donnison - Northumb.
Saxton/Brailsford/Bircumshaw/Fox/Ellis - Notts.
Bunt/Retallack/Rouse/Rowse/Solomon - Cornwall
Anderson/Jamieson/McArthur/Thomson - Edinburgh
Lewis - Berks./Oxon.
Williams/Walker - Glos.
Huckin - Oxon

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Re: Trouble deciphering place name in 1851 Census
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 23 May 17 13:38 BST (UK) »
That is very tricky.  For others looking, the census reference is HO107/1970/180/21.

I see that Mary Keen was OTP when she married James Williams at Oddington in November 1828.  Have you been able to trace the witness Caroline Keen, who is likely to be related?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Trouble deciphering place name in 1851 Census
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 23 May 17 13:42 BST (UK) »
I see that in an old thread a Rootschatter descended from this family mentioned that Mary Keen was from Rollright, Oxfordshire:

www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=645901.0  (at reply #5).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Trouble deciphering place name in 1851 Census
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 23 May 17 13:45 BST (UK) »
It looks like Nailsworth to me.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Trouble deciphering place name in 1851 Census
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 23 May 17 13:46 BST (UK) »
Could be Headington.  There's a baptism that fits https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J7S5-HFF
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Re: Trouble deciphering place name in 1851 Census
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 23 May 17 14:02 BST (UK) »
Looks like a place name with 'of' in the middle, then Oxon?

Edit....I think the tail of what looks like an 'f' is coming up from the entry below?

A larger shot would have been better  ::)


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Re: Trouble deciphering place name in 1851 Census
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 23 May 17 14:14 BST (UK) »
Would agree with Jebber

Looks like Nailsworth which is in Gloucestershire not Oxon

Aucock/Aukett~Kent/Sussex, Broadway~Oxfordshire, Danks~Warwickshire, Fenn~Kent/Norfolk, Goatham~Kent, Hunt~Kent, Parker~Middlesex, Perry~Kent, Sellers~Kent/Yorkshire, Sladden~Kent, Wright~Kent/Essex

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Re: Trouble deciphering place name in 1851 Census
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 23 May 17 14:16 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Rosinish on Tuesday 23 May 17 14:02 BST (UK)
Looks like a place name with 'of' in the middle, then Oxon?

Edit....I think the tail of what looks like an 'f' is coming up from the entry below?

A larger shot would have been better  ::)

I don't think anything is coming up from the entry below (Oddington).  Looking at the full page entry, there is no overlap between them.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Trouble deciphering place name in 1851 Census
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 24 May 17 10:12 BST (UK) »
Many thanks for all your input! I was really just re-investigating her birthplace as I was a bit uneasy with the Headington connection as it was quite a distance from where she ended up (30 miles).
I agree that it looks most like Nailsworth but a check with parish records on FindMyPast shows that the name Keen isn't really a Gloucestershire name (2 baptism entries, both in Cam in the 1700s) but more an Oxfordshire one (pages and pages). I have found a Caroline Keen (her married name) from Churchill in Oxfordshire which is only 4.5 miles from Oddington, so I may have found the connection!
Many thanks again!
Claire
Researching:
Gallon/McKenzie/Donnison - Northumb.
Saxton/Brailsford/Bircumshaw/Fox/Ellis - Notts.
Bunt/Retallack/Rouse/Rowse/Solomon - Cornwall
Anderson/Jamieson/McArthur/Thomson - Edinburgh
Lewis - Berks./Oxon.
Williams/Walker - Glos.
Huckin - Oxon
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