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Re: Alice Lee Place, Glasgow Road, Wishaw
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 14 May 17 13:38 BST (UK) »
No, when Gt Grandad James Smith died she re married as Sarah Smith to Walter Anderson and that was the name on her death certificate. Where is the best place for me to find 1911 Scotland Census please. Hebe
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Re: Alice Lee Place, Glasgow Road, Wishaw
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 14 May 17 13:40 BST (UK) »
Where is the best place for me to find 1911 Scotland Census please.

The only place is the link from Forfarian.

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Re: Alice Lee Place, Glasgow Road, Wishaw
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 14 May 17 13:41 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Hebe

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Re: Alice Lee Place, Glasgow Road, Wishaw
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 14 May 17 13:42 BST (UK) »
In Scotland often widows reverted to their maiden names although I'm not saying Sarah did, it was just an idea/thought, not impossible.

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Re: Alice Lee Place, Glasgow Road, Wishaw
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 14 May 17 13:43 BST (UK) »
Its a good hint to remember in the future, thanks. Hebe

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Re: Alice Lee Place, Glasgow Road, Wishaw
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 14 May 17 14:16 BST (UK) »
Hebe,

If you need help with the index for 1911 to narrow your search just ask as it could save you some credits if you're unsure of where to look before you spend credits to view.

I have to go out for now but there are many experienced SP users such as Forfarian  ;) who can help you.

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Re: Alice Lee Place, Glasgow Road, Wishaw
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 14 May 17 14:24 BST (UK) »
Great Grandma Sarah was nee Johnson, her dad James was a confectioner and Mother was Mary Thompson, dont know if that is any help is my progress. Thanks, Hebe

This map shows a "Confectionery Works" just north of the junction of Glasgow Road and Heathery Road:
https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/279500/655500/12/101098

(you need to scroll a bit to the left and zoom in to see it - it is just south of "Belhaven Works" which stands out quite well on the map) :)

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Re: Alice Lee Place, Glasgow Road, Wishaw
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 14 May 17 15:03 BST (UK) »
I'll put my penny'worth in, there has been a lot of posts on this subject in a very short space of time.

first of all, I have very seldom found that a widow here in the Wishaw area and in Lanarkshire in general, ever reverted to her maiden surname.
Also, if I were you Hebe, I would disregard all entries regarding Alice-Lea in Motherwell, Overtown or anyplace else other than Wishaw.
If I were you, I would stay focused on "Glasgow Road, Wishaw". forget Cambusnethan, that, in this case, is only the name of the civil parish, not the area of Wishaw that contains Glasgow Road.

I don't know where in Glasgow Road Alice-Lea Place was but I will tell you what I do know.

Someone in a post mentioned the Wishaw Roll of Honour (for WWI).
Almost the first entry is for -
ANDERSON WALTER (killed in action) 25 Glasgow Road Wishaw. Royal Scots reg; married.
next entry -
ANDERSON JAMES Alice-Lea, Glasgow Road Wishaw, H.L.I. reg; unmarried.

The only other mentions that I could find for Alice-Lea were three entries for the name Robertson, probably three brothers, George, John & Robert, Alice-Lea, Glasgow Road.

I couldn't find any other mention of Alice-Lea in the Roll of Honour but I'd be happy to know of any as it may lead us to marrying-up the names with those in the 1925 street directory.
If there were only 2 families mentioned this would lead me to believe that Alice-Lea Place was a small tenement building. Or, a cottage named Alice-Lea with a small tenement next to it (which would usually have been erected by the cottage owner) called Alice-Lea Place.

OK, now to the 1925 Wishaw street directory. I have an original and, as far as I know, the only copy in existence. It is constructed in 2 parts. It firsts lists all adults eligible to vote, alphabetically A - Z, with addresses. Secondly, it contains a list of streets with householders names and, when appropriate, occupations. The names are against the street numbers. So it's quite good for cross-referencing but the A - Z list seems to have been compiled about a year prior to the names in the street list, so it doesn't always work.

Anyway, in the second section, Glasgow Road is divided into various Buildings, Terraces, Places, Crescents and Lands, unfortunately - no Alice-Lea Place. But, it did exist.
One of the Robertsons mentioned in the Roll of Honour is listed in the 1925 Directory as "c/o Sloan, Alice-Lea, Glasgow Road.

The Directory lists the occupant (with a right to vote) of 25 Glasgow Road Wishaw as -
MRS WALTER ANDERSON.
If this is the same family as your Hebe, you should check the name James Anderson as mentioned at the beginning of this post, could he have been Walter's brother? If this all ties in, then your old photograph of Glasgow Road (Sancti was correct, the corner of Marshall Street) is probably where Alice-Lea Place was.
If number 25 was where the Anderson family lived, in the photograph (for those of us who know this building) Chapman the Butcher is at the other end of the building and is currently at No.35 Glasgow Road. In the 1925 Directory the butcher shop was number 39 Glasgow Road but, the premises' now are much larger, a double shop plus a bakers shop. The distillery Bond was at No.71 Glasgow Road.

As for the part about Hawkins, 194 Glasgow Road.
In the first section of the 1925 Directory, it lists R HAWKINS, 419 Glasgow Road.
In the second section (compiled at a later date) it lists ROBERT HAWKINS, ironworker at 419 Glasgow Road, which was part of Clyde Terrace. Not 194?

Confused? You are now!


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Re: Alice Lee Place, Glasgow Road, Wishaw
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 14 May 17 15:05 BST (UK) »
The confectionary works was Archibalds Battleaxe Toffee Factory.
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.