Margaret Fraser. James Fraser. Elizabeth Fraser. Campbell's Creek Victoria.

[Tassel]

Hi Sparrett.  This Forum just keeps on giving. You are right of course. The spelling is Messer not Mercer. Only this morning Raylen or Essie showed me the easier way to use Vicbdm data base. I had been going through manually for each listing. I think there are plenty of times when you still have to plough through each listing because of misspelt names but I was doing it hard. And now you pop up with a divorce and second marriage. This explains why i could not remember seeing a Mercer. Obviously when I got round to checking James Mercer details there would have been nothing. I have to keep remembering to sound Surnames differently when I have drawn a blank.
Bottom line is.. Thanks Sparrett.

[Tassel]

Sparrett. I have to check Percy James Messers birth and death dates you have given me. Doesn't tally to me.
 
Tassel.

[sparrett]

Hi
I am pleased to help further if needed.
What is not tallying for you?
I did not give you Percy James' birthdate
I can check again

I have resources other than those online which sometimes give a little more detail than online ones and are easier to search with.

Sue

[Tassel]

Sparrett. What was the following ( I haven't worked out cut and paste yet)--
Messer Percy
Jones Eliza Ann
Year 1874
Reg# 4582.  b. Sth Yarra.         because that looks like his birthdate  and if he died in 1913, aged 60?    Tassel     

[sparrett]

I see the confusion

What I said was

 This may be a first marriage for Margaret's second husband.

MESSER Percy (born SOUTH YARRA)
JONES  Eliza Ann
Year 1874
Reg  4582

This means
Percy MESSER (who was born in South Yarra) married to Eliza Ann JONES in 1874. Reg 4582.


Here is his parents' marriage in England.

Marriages Mar quarter 1851   
MESSER    James           
TWINNING    Charlotte
St Giles 
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I do not see Percy's birth.
Civil registration began in Victoria in 1853.
This is about the time of his birth according to the death details.

Perhaps it is not on the indexes for that reason.

Sue

[judb]

PROV has a will for a Margaret MESSER, d 9 September, 1939, widow, residence: Carnegie.  This will is not yet digitised.

https://www.prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/explore-topic/wills-and-probates

I can't see a death notice for her.

The index entry that Sue gave you is a marriage in 1874 between a Percy MESSER and Eliza Ann JONES.  This Percy was born in South Yarra - but not in 1874 - that's the marriage date.
Sue wondered if he had been married prior to his marriage to Margaret.

Edit to add - sorry Sue, I didn't see you were on line

Judith

[Tassel]

Sparrett. Yes now it all makes sense to me. Obviously you understood it. Best take nothing for granted with we novices. Why do I feel like i am having an out of  body experience with all you veteran members. Did you have a chance to read my thinking on Elizabeth Johanna (Fraser) Hansen. After their second baby died in Campbells Creek (Leslie Hansen 1892-1894) I am assuming Knud Hansen (father) departed and Elizabeth was in Carlton and died as Elizabeth Fraser and not Elizabeth Hansen with Unknown parents. Knud went to S.A.      Tassel.

[sparrett]

Hi
I feel you are on the right track with this line of thought.
James' birth was registered under both her married and her maiden names. It seems a very likely correct assumption the mother is your woman.

HANSEN  Jas
Father Unknown
Mother Elizth FRASER
Birth Place CARLTON
Year 1910
Reg.  25798 R

FRASER Jas
Father Unknown
Mother Elizth FRASER
Birth Place CARLTON
Year 1910
Reg.  25798 R

[Tassel]

Sparrett.
Thanks for all the details. I have a question on protocol. If you went through all of a given name on a data base eg. Vicbdm, and all individuals had parents but one didn't,  can you assume it might be your person or do you leave well alone. Do you see where i am coming from?
 regards Tassel.