London County Lunatic Asylum Hanwell

[jonwarrn]

Well, I couldn't find that birth, Rosie!

Eugenia remarried -
22 October 1882, at St James the Great, Bethnal Green
William Edward Shelton, full, Widower, Labourer
+
Eugenia Soffe, full, Widow, father Joseph Whitehorn, Painter
residence for both Bethnal Green

[4licks]

Thank you again "Team".For those of you with Ancestry.co.uk membership, look for public site keithday185. I live in Australia and will look at all your suggestions tonight AUS time which is 9 hours ahead of GBT. I have a second person on my wife's side that I am looking for but lets resolve this first.
With the Soffe's I have used the parental names on marriage banns to drill back. What has caused this enquiry in the first place was Kenneth Reginald Brown, my mother's brother born 1931. There is no death certificate for him but there is one for Reginald Browne Feb 2015 and an unclaimed deceased estate. Rather than go into detail here, Ealing Council, Ealing Hospital and Govt Legal Dept are all being investigated for not contacting known next of kin, including my mother's other sister's son, also Keith, who has lived in Fulham all his life. Our issue is not the small estate, The cemetery where H.R. & E.S.T. Brown are buried will not allow Keith & I to erect a headstone until we can prove that we are next of kin for a deceased Kenneth Reginald Brown, the owner of the burial site. Or gain his approval!?!?!?!?! The Cemetery also is in Ealing Council so I will let you draw your own conclusions.

Though our combined investigations, all 3 entities have now acknowledged we are correct and being investigated from above. By looking at the profile pages for Herbert Reginald Brown, Emily Sarah Timbrell Brown, you will see that we have gone as far as yearly electoral rolls.

Anyway, enough for now as I have jobs to do on my farm.

Kind Regards Keith & Lois Day

[jonwarrn]

Hi
Sorry to hear about your problems over Kenneth.
Just noticed that one of the witnesses on Herbert and Edith's marriage was Emily Annie Shelton.
She also witnessed the marriage of Albert Edward Soffe in Fulham a year later (1895)

You can find the Sheltons at 4 Windsor Place, Putney, in 1891 (piece 452 folio 146 page 13)
William and Eugenia are enumerated just as W and E
Emily Shelton is 13, and Albert, who is 12, is enumerated as Shelton, not Soffe (orJohnson!), even though it says stepson.
But no Edith! So as far as I know the 1901 census in Walthamstow is still the only sighting of her!
John

[jonwarrn]

There was an earlier workhouse admission for Eugenia
Admitted Islington Workhouse (St John's Road)
14 June 1875
Eugenia Soffe 23
Walter Soffe 6 mon

They were discharged 25 June 1875.
This must be a different, earlier Walter to the chap Rosie found?
So this is good news for us. As there is a settlement examination of Eugenia in Islington. Needless to say she was no longer living with William Soffe!
Will report back later
John

[jonwarrn]

Brief summary (examined 23 June 1875) -
Eugenia Soffe, 23. M(arried), 1 Ch, Pregnt, Admitted 14 June from 36 Shadwell Rd
I am now pregnant by Heather
Married William Henry Soffe, 28 March 1870, St Giles Camberwell
Lived with him 2 years and 9 months
Left him at Prospect Pl Back Rd Kingsld Decr 72
I have been living with Walter James Heather fm 14 March 74 - at 112 Cromer St. Pancras
1 child Walter born there 23rd Decr last
list of later addresses, etc
Husbd was Ostler to Tramway Co.
his parents deceased
3 sisters, Harriett Soffe, 15 Hanover St, Hanover Sqre
Housekeeper to Dr Jones
Sarah Soffe, address unknown
Caroline Williams, Kings Head or Arms back of Westmr Abbey
I am daur of Joseph Whitehorn

Birth, March 1875 Pancras 1b 65
Heather, Walter James
mother  Whitehorn

[jonwarrn]

A bit academic now as far as William is concerned, but here they are in the 1871 census
Looks like Saffe, maybe it does say that?
piece 1340 folio 142 page 40
Surrey Villas, Tottenham
William Saffe Head Mar 27 Ostler, born Middx Westminster
Eugene Saffe Wife Mar 19 Needlewoman Middx Lambeth (or Lamberth?)
William Dyer Brother 11 Middx Hammersmith

Also at the address were the Ansell family

[4licks]

Hi all, I had a look at Marriage Banns of HL Brown & Edith Soffe. Shows William Henry Soffe as Life-guard. I had him dead in 1887, in which case he should have been recorded as Deceased. So I guess my recording is incorrect. The occupation of life guard........., Do you have any ideas on the last word of occupation? THe marriage banns shows Edith Soffe as "20 years" in 1894 and 27 years in 1901 census but does appear to be the same person. Any thoughts? You have mentioned Eugenie and also Emily Annie Shelton. Can you draw a line that connects her with our Edith?
Kind regards Keith

[rosie99]

There is no requirement to ask whether a father is deceased when someone marries

[4licks]

Rosie, thanks. In my research I did notice that Albert Edward's marriage banns showed William Henry Soffe as deceased in 1895 but not in 1894. The occupations were also different