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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #432 on: Thursday 27 April 17 12:18 BST (UK) »
Perhaps, Herman's will might hold a clue?
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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #433 on: Thursday 27 April 17 14:59 BST (UK) »
I'm with Ruskie, I'm afraid I think that the signatures posted by various people on the register pages all appear to me to be the hand of the Registrar or the Clerk completing the Register.


Really  :o ? I'm afraid I disagree.
The D in GorDon ( signature of informant) is not repeated in any other word with a d in it on the entire page of the register , as far as I can see.....the words 'cathedral, sudden, maiden, undertaker and Gordon (deceased's name and father's name)' all have a lower case d.
I don't know much about handwriting but looking at the other 2 entries on the page I would also say both signatures were not in the hand of the Registrar.
Would a Registrar disguise their handwriting to sign the register on behalf of people?
I have attached a snip from the same certificate of death which shows Gordon Blair's name under the parents column for comparison.
Looby :)

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #434 on: Thursday 27 April 17 15:05 BST (UK) »
I see what you mean looby. I still think that the writing looks fairly similar, although with more formal writing there will be similarities between everyone's writing as they were all taught to write the same way.  :)

I was not aware that an informant signed a Scottish death certificate.

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #435 on: Thursday 27 April 17 23:17 BST (UK) »
Perhaps, Herman's will might hold a clue?

If he was the father of Jane Norval's daughter, he was actually married with at least 1 child.

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Herman Levy Schwabe
Spouse Auguste Bandman

Daughter...
Mathilde Auguste Schwabe
Born   07 Nov 1840
GLASGOW, LANARK

Annie
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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #436 on: Friday 28 April 17 00:00 BST (UK) »
 
Perhaps, Herman's will might hold a clue?

If he was the father of Jane Norval's daughter, he was actually married with at least 1 child.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X137-FYD

Herman Levy Schwabe
Spouse Auguste Bandman

Daughter...
Mathilde Auguste Schwabe
Born   07 Nov 1840
GLASGOW, LANARK

Annie

Wonder what address Herman and Auguste had during that 40's decade.  :o
We have little Jane/Janet Schwabe/Sthornlie in 1851 aged 2.

Sue

 
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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #437 on: Friday 28 April 17 00:20 BST (UK) »
1841

Hermaan Schwabe
40
Born Foreign Parts
Civil Parish Glasgow (St Mungo)
Lanarkshire
Address Provanside
Occ. Merchant
Parish NO.   644/1

Household Members:   

Hermaan Schwabe 40
Auguste Schwabe 35
Ottilie Schwabe   6
Ludwig Schwabe   1
Mathilda Schwabe 7 Mo
Catherine Leela   25
Margaret Mccoll   20
Eliza Phillips 25
Sophia Kling 40

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #438 on: Friday 28 April 17 00:25 BST (UK) »
Perhaps, Herman's will might hold a clue?

If he was the father of Jane Norval's daughter, he was actually married with at least 1 child.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X137-FYD

Herman Levy Schwabe
Spouse Auguste Bandman

Daughter...
Mathilde Auguste Schwabe
Born   07 Nov 1840
GLASGOW, LANARK

Annie

Wonder what address Herman and Auguste had during that 40's decade.  :o
We have little Jane/Janet Schwabe/Sthornlie in 1851 aged 2.

Sue

 

I believe I have already posted Herman's 1841 & 1851 Census details much earlier on this thread when I first speculated about him as a candidate for being Jane Norval's daughter's father.

Herman is in Glasgow - address Provanside  in the parish of St Mungo  in 1841
In 1851 he is in  Ayr in Ayrshire. However in the Schwabe family , he has a 1 year old son Frederick who was born in Glasgow. So Herman has not been living in Ayr for very long.

Looby :)

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #439 on: Friday 28 April 17 00:38 BST (UK) »
I have been talking with several of my Qld cousins and they assure me that Qld probate files can be full of quality family history info, including wills, affidavits from beneficiaries giving 'proof' of their family relationships, and affidavits from claimants seeking benefits.     None of my rellies are able to get to the Qld Archives to physically read the file, and I don't anticipate being in the Brisbane area anytime soon (although I could be up at Urangan a suburb of Hervey Bay Qld next month or early June, OP's profile shows located Hervey Bay) but I am assured that anyone can apply for copies of those files on payment of Qld Archive fees.  I have previously posted the index info re the two probate files (Gordon and Julia) and the 1864 land file.     So may  I suggest our OP makes a request of the Australia Board asking for a lookup at Qld Archives, and with a link to this thread.  http://www.rootschat.com/forum/australia/

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #440 on: Friday 28 April 17 00:41 BST (UK) »
1836 - 37

 SCHWAB, A. F. commission merchant, 135 Buchanan street
 Schvvabe, M. H. & Gobert, merchants, 31 Buchanan street
Schwabe, H. L. of M. H. Schwahe Sf Gobert, house Provanside
 Schwabe, L. of M. H. Schwabe §• Gobert, house 8 Blythswood square

1837 - 38

SCHWAB, A. F. commission merchant, 135 Buchanan street
Schwab, Adolphus, at A. F. Schwab's, house 69 Bath street
Schwabe, M. H. & Gobert, merchants, 51 Buchanan street
Schwabe, H. L. of M. H. Schwabe & Gobert, house Provanside
Schwabe, L. of M. H. Schwabe & Gobert, house 129 Hope street

1838 - 39

 SCHWAB, A. F. commission merchant, 135 Buchanan street
 Schwab, Adolphus, of A. JF. Schwab, house 69 Bath street
 Schwabe, M. H. & Gobert, merchants, 51 Buchanan street
Schwabe, H. L. ofM. H. Schwabe Sj" Gobert, house Provanside

Annie

Ooops, Schwabe & Gobert House is at 8 Blythswood square, Glasgow
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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