Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!

[loobylooayr]

Jane Sthornlie=Tolmie?

The terraces in Corunna Street would have had servants, it's still a bit swanky, Finnieston is now the place to live in the west-end!

Skoosh.

I've never been on Corunna Street , to my knowledge, but must admit from the images I thought they looked at bit posher.

[isobelw]

There are four entries for jane's death in 1911 on SP.
Jane Drummond Blair
Jane Drummond Taylor
Jane D Schawbe
Jane D Norvall
The original can be viewed on a tree on Ancestry and confirms parents as Henry Schawbe, ship owner (deceased) and Jane Norvall, Housekeeper, subsequently married to Gordon Blair, Law Clerk. Informant was her husband Charles Taylor.
From the wording of the parental info on both marriage and death certificates it would seem that Jane was illegitimate.
There were several Schwabe families in Glasgow in the 1850's but there is only one Schawbe ref on SP other than two entries (marriage and death) pertaining to Jane Drummond Schawbe. The other ref is for Ludolp Schawbe in the 1855 valuation roll but he appears as Schwabe in 1851 census.
There is a Henry Schwabe who marries in Liverpool in 1851, who is described variously as a merchant and ship owner. He went bankrupt in 1857 and died in Scarborough in 1861, his wife having predeceased him in 1857.
Isobel

[Skoosh]

F.F, I think you're confusing Glasgow tenements with those in 18th century Edinburgh, Old Town. If you have a nice building with a tiled close, inside toilet/bathroom & well looked-after back court, the flats will all have the same amenities & beyond the means of most working folk. There would be a rent difference depending on the size of flat but doctors & dustmen didn't share the same street never mind close! A top floor flat was sought after whatever the close, nobody above you & the ground floor the least popular as everybody traipsed through it plus street noise. Brought up in a room & kitchen myself, middle-class folk were on another planet!

Skoosh.

[isobelw]

Just looking back over notes and realised that I have inadvertantly downloaded the death certificate for Jane Norval's mother Jane Norval nee Baird while searching for the death cert of Jane herself ( without success) Her mother died on 8th July 1865 at 24 Lilybank Street, Glasgow age 69. She was the widow of John Norval, Comb Maker and her parents were James Baird, Tailor (dec) and Agnes Baird nee Brown ( dec). Informant was her son in law Thomas Scott of 2 Athole Terrace, Victoria Road, Glasgow. Thomas appears to have been married to Jane's sister Agnes and she also died in 1865. Thomas was a Draper's Assistant in 1851 and a Warehouseman in later census.
Isobel

[majm]

*** search google for J.C.H. Gill M.B.E., B.A., LLB., F.R. HIST. S.Q. and "A Brief Account of the Life and Times of The Honourable Sir James William Blair, K.C.M.G. Chief Justice of Queensland." The 25 page pdf is fully referenced, which to me suggests it has been peer reviewed.   

JM

Couldn't find that at all JM. My search engine would not spit out that pdf file 
Venality is certainly a strong term to use in a bio.

Hopefully this shrunk link will work.      But/Also/In case of        ....  I am attaching a snip of the paragraph using that word.  The pdf is 25 pages, numbered 80 to 104, as it is part of a journal.  So, the snip is of the first paragraph at page 100.   The endnote reference no. is 54.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jzs/   

JM

[sparrett]

Although we have meandered far and near from the original query about Gordon it all remains very intriguing indeed.

I have nothing to offer right now, but am amazed by the wonderful local knowledge that has been applied to the matter by the team in Scotland and England and of course here in Australia

I do wonder about Georgina's name. Georgina being the feminine of George and Lorimer.
Is there something in this naming?

We seem not to have come across a George or a Lorimer in our searches so far.

Sue

 

[majm]

Improved scan of 1855 birth for Jane Blair -
NB all the informants signatures on the page are witnessed either by the Registrar or by his clerk on his behalf.

DOTS MAY BE JOINING UP

Are we certain that Gordon signed this document?  If so, please look at the unusual way this Gordon has written the 'd' in his name.

Please compare with the snip from Isabella's birth registration in Queensland as per my earlier reply.

JM

[majm]

Reply #206 for snip from Isabella's bc.   

JM

[majm]

Enlarged snip from 1855 scan  .... 

JM