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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #360 on: Tuesday 25 April 17 01:32 BST (UK) »
A question ;D

In the BLAIR to BAMBER marriage both parties were about 17 years old.

In Australia someone would need to give permission for such young people to marry and this would be recorded on the certificate.

Was this not an expectation in the Scotland of the time?

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #361 on: Tuesday 25 April 17 01:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Sue,

https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/registration/getting-married-in-scotland/minimum-age-for-marriage-in-scotland

Many people have been known to arrive from England & other places to marry in Gretna Green (Scotland) for this reason.

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #362 on: Tuesday 25 April 17 02:47 BST (UK) »
On the 1882 Qld dc for Jane BLAIR, a dau of John BLAIR and Jane DUN, the informant (grandson William KIPPEN of Ipswich) has provided info that Jane was born Glasgow, and was about 36 years in Queensland.  She had married William BLAIR in Glasgow at 18 years of age, and she had three children living,  Jane 36 years, Elizabeth 33 years and Gordon 30 years.

Here is a Jane BLAIR arriving to Moreton Bay  in the 1850s.   

http://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?series=NRS5316&item=4_4791&ship=William%20Miles    page 12
SINGLE FEMALES
Jane BLAIR, 33, House Servant,  Stirlingshire, Presb (Presbyterian), Both (Read and Write).

Please note on that voyage, that there’s also the KIPPER (ie KIPPEN) as in Jane, sister of Gordon BLAIR, and her family, listed at page 3 and the AITKEN (ie AIKEN) family listed at page 2, as in Elizabeth, sister of Gordon BLAIR, and her family. 

I recall several discussions from earlier on this thread about this/these details for the BLAIR family.   

Earlier today, my husband and I spent some time with two older relatives, aged in their 90s, who while physically needing some assistance, continue to be actively alert in their thinking.  I gently asked them what expectations they would place on a short report on their own ancestors .... I asked how many generations back would they want someone to research, and what depth, including if they would want 'warts and all'. 

They are both former NSW BDM senior officers, and so have open minds about the validity of info on informant driven certificates.   Both served in the 2nd AIF during WWII and in the Occupation forces in Japan. 

But, in general terms,  they would expect to hear about the generation earlier than their grandparents because while they knew their grandparents, they only know of their great grand's.  They would expect to learn about the last generation prior to migration to Australia, and all the warts and all about every generation up to their Grandparents in Australia.  From their grandparents to their own generation and then beyond through to current youngest .... that's the responsibility of themselves to share.  (May I note that both chaps do share, and are actively part of my 'phone a rellie' for help in responding to many RChatters on the Australia Board).

I hope their views are useful to our OP in determining how to and what to communicate about Gordon BLAIR and Julia DROUGHTON, the parents of Henry Gordon, who married Margaret JONES, and included among Henry Gordon and Margaret's children was Isabella, whose Qld death registration has not yet been located, but whom is confirmed by our OP as deceased, and whose registration should be displayed at Qld BDM index as it occurred much more than 30 years ago.

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #363 on: Tuesday 25 April 17 02:56 BST (UK) »
As an aside,

I wonder
 :) where Jane NORVAL's daughter by Henry SCHAWBE, ship owner, was in 1851,  was she with Gordon, Jane, and her half-sister, new baby Georgina?
 

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #364 on: Tuesday 25 April 17 03:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Sue,

https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/registration/getting-married-in-scotland/minimum-age-for-marriage-in-scotland

Many people have been known to arrive from England & other places to marry in Gretna Green (Scotland) for this reason.

Annie

Well, How interesting. Thanks  ;D
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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #365 on: Tuesday 25 April 17 07:58 BST (UK) »
As an aside,

I wonder
 :) where Jane NORVAL's daughter by Henry SCHAWBE, ship owner, was in 1851,  was she with Gordon, Jane, and her half-sister, new baby Georgina?
 

JM

Jane was brought up by William and Janet Drummond nee McKay in Glasgow and is with them in 1851 ( transcribed as Jane Stholmie, visitor, on Ancestry) through 1871 where she appears as Jane Drummond, daughter.
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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #366 on: Tuesday 25 April 17 08:06 BST (UK) »
Hi Sue,

https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/registration/getting-married-in-scotland/minimum-age-for-marriage-in-scotland

Many people have been known to arrive from England & other places to marry in Gretna Green (Scotland) for this reason.

Annie

Well, How interesting. Thanks  ;D

16 -old enough to marry.... but not to drink, drive or vote in a general election . (Although recent changes in the voting age in Scotland lowered it to 16 for local elections and the Referendum )....but I digress.
The marriage between the 17 year old couple Georgina and Paterson was witnessed according to the record by Paterson Bamber's parents Paterson snr and Louisa Catherine Bamber. With both the groom's parents acting as witnesses it makes me wonder if the bride's mother was there ?
Georgina has knocked a year off her age and consistently sticks with that throughout the Censuses. Perhaps she was not aware of her correct DOB?
Her address at the time of the marriage is a bit of a scrawl....but I think it might say 20 Candleriggs, Glasgow.

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #367 on: Tuesday 25 April 17 08:37 BST (UK) »

Her address at the time of the marriage is a bit of a scrawl....but I think it might say 20 Candleriggs, Glasgow.

Looby :)


The address show for BAMBER on the certificate 3  Corunna Street seems only about a mile from 20 Candleriggs, if your reading is correct.
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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #368 on: Tuesday 25 April 17 09:12 BST (UK) »

Her address at the time of the marriage is a bit of a scrawl....but I think it might say 20 Candleriggs, Glasgow.

Looby :)


The address show for BAMBER on the certificate 3  Corunna Street seems only about a mile from 20 Candleriggs, if your reading is correct.
Sue

Ahhh I couldn't make Bamber's address out but I believe you are correct, Sue.

I could be wrong (I'm no expert on Glaswegian housing at that period) but I think that 3 Corunna Street would be quite an affluent address in 1868.

Looby :)