Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!

[isobelw]

Another possibility is that her father was a brother of Gordon's mother Jane ( who died 1882) as she was also born Blair ( daughter of John Blair and Jane Dun, married to William Blair, according to her death certificate).
Isobel

[isobelw]

Familysearch have two births in Glasgow to parents John Blair and Jean Dunn - Jean 1800 and John 1802. Also a baptism of a Jean in 1810 in St Ninians ( who could be the one born in 1800). From the 1882 death of Jane Blair we know that she was 82 ( so born 1800) and was born in Glasgow.
Isobel

[sparrett]

Familysearch have two births in Glasgow to parents John Blair and Jean Dunn - Jean 1800 and John 1802. Also a baptism of a Jean in 1810 in St Ninians ( who could be the one born in 1800). From the 1882 death of Jane Blair we know that she was 82 ( so born 1800) and was born in Glasgow.
Isobel

Yes, I took into account this birth finding which you kindly found in reply #72 in my thinking.

Ah... me It is a hard one.

Informants do certainly write strange and incorrect information on death certificates.
I think sometimes it is to 'cover' for the fact they really do not know certain facts, so have a bit of guess.
A difficult time for relatives with losing a dear one and easy to get confused.

Sue   

[jennywren001]

Hoping this has not been covered already...Jane Drummond Norval (from her marriage certificate of 1874) reputed father Henry Schwabe - mother Jane Norval latterly married to Gordon Blair.

In the 1871 census Jane can be found with the Drummonds living at the same address as that listed on her marriage certifcate. She is showing as daughter - however if you go back to 1861 still with the same family but transcribed as Jean S?abie (sic) and is listed as a boarder age 8. I can't find her in 1851.
Jen

[majm]

Great sleuthing Jen.   

So back in the mid 1860s, and Queensland Australia

Samuel DROUGHTON was at Goondiwindi and Charles DROUGHTON was at Drayton …… and Julia DROUGHTON provided Goondiwindi as her usual address to the Rev OGG in 1876.    She also said she was 27.     So, if born 1835, and aged 27 when marrying, then the year would be about 1862 or 1863 …. Agh,  from our OPs info re Elizabeth’s April 1863 birth cert, Julia and Gordon married at Ipswich in 1863…. See reply # 3 for info from Elizabeth’s bc,  and passenger list British Empire for Julia being aged 24 in 1859 ….  (Apologies , likely this link has been given earlier in this now long thread, but hopefully it is ok to duplicate it here for ease of other RChatters checking my deduced ages/dates etc http://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?Page=NRS5316/4_4795/British Empire_4 Feb 1859/4_479500205.jpg&No=6

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/75513454 pg 4 1 July 1865, Darling Downs Gaz, Advertising £20 Reward etc

Please remember that the Qld BDM’s 1876  marriage registration is a transcription of a transcription of a parish register.   Until the original parish register is checked we cannot be certain of the accuracy of that transcription of a transcription of that church record.   Please also remember that when the clergy interview the couple, the groom supplies info about his origins and the bride supplies info about her origins.  It is not usual for the groom to provide info about both his own parents and his in-laws. 

And from that 1876 registration, Gordon said he was aged 29….  And from JW Blair’s info about Gordon on Gordon’s dc,  Gordon was born Sept 1833.    Sept 1833 plus 29 years ….  Late 1862 to mid 1863 …. And the info that Gordon gave as informant on Elizabeth’s April 1863 birth …. He and Julia married at Ipswich in 1863.     

Has anyone sought to contact St Pauls at Ipswich to see where their parish registers from that era are now in safe keeping …. Perhaps the Diocese Archives?    As this is a C of E register, there could be a family sheet register too.    It may have details about when Gordon and/or Julia became part of that  church community…..  (may even include exact dates, birth/baptism dates for their four children, etc).

JM

[isobelw]

Jen- she is with the Drummonds (William and Janet) in 1851 as well, age 2. Down as Jane Sthornlie on Findmypast and Jane Sthonlie on Ancestry. The Drummonds are down as Dummond on Ancestry. Well done for finding them in 1861 and 1871.
Isobel

[majm]

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To top this story all off is his last born and son James William Blair who's birth wasn't registered in Qld but he became quite an important figure in Queensland. Best guesstimate is 16 May 1871 at Coalfalls Ipswich Qld. He was admitted to the Qld Bar 6 Mar 1894 and quickly rose through the ranks to become Qld Solicitor General and Government leader in the Upper House. In 1893 he was elected Attorney General until April 1898 when he became Premier at age 37yrs. Unfortunately we weren't going to see the best of Sir James William Blair, yes he was Knighted. That same year he died 27 Sep 1898 after having a bout of 'measles' which was soon followed up by pneumonia and cardiac failure. He died before his father 'Gordon' Blair.

Any comments and information will be most welcome.
Regards.

Very sorry, BUT something is very amiss.   As you are preparing info for a friend, please please check out the info you have posted in your reply #1 about Gordon’s son James William BLAIR…   

According to Gordon’s death certificate, James William BLAIR was still alive when his father died …. J W B was the informant….

According to Qld BDM online index J W B died in 1944, umm…. decades after his dad…  #B68605,  1944. 

Premiers of Queensland from 1859   https://www.qld.gov.au/about/about-queensland/history/premiers/   Perhaps he was Acting Premier at some time during his Parliamentary career....   http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/blair-sir-james-william-5266

The person who died on 27 September 1898, aged only 37, of pneumonia after contracting measles was probably Thomas BYRNES…  He was Queensland’s first Solicitor General, and it was he who became premier of Qld in April 1898….
http://www.crownlaw.qld.gov.au/about/history/the-first-solicitor-general

JM 

[jennywren001]

The snip is from the Glasgow Morning Journal of 1858 - the Crawford Street address is the same one mentioned on the 1857 birth certicate of Thomas Gordon Blair.

Mind, I'm not seeing a likeness in the signatures at the births of Thomas Gordon Blair and Elizabeth Jane Blair.
Jen

[OZScot]

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To top this story all off is his last born and son James William Blair who's birth wasn't registered in Qld but he became quite an important figure in Queensland. Best guesstimate is 16 May 1871 at Coalfalls Ipswich Qld. He was admitted to the Qld Bar 6 Mar 1894 and quickly rose through the ranks to become Qld Solicitor General and Government leader in the Upper House. In 1893 he was elected Attorney General until April 1898 when he became Premier at age 37yrs. Unfortunately we weren't going to see the best of Sir James William Blair, yes he was Knighted. That same year he died 27 Sep 1898 after having a bout of 'measles' which was soon followed up by pneumonia and cardiac failure. He died before his father 'Gordon' Blair.

Any comments and information will be most welcome.
Regards.

Very sorry, BUT something is very amiss.   As you are preparing info for a friend, please please check out the info you have posted in your reply #1 about Gordon’s son James William BLAIR…   

According to Gordon’s death certificate, James William BLAIR was still alive when his father died …. J W B was the informant….

According to Qld BDM online index J W B died in 1944, umm…. decades after his dad…  #B68605,  1944. 

Premiers of Queensland from 1859   https://www.qld.gov.au/about/about-queensland/history/premiers/   Perhaps he was Acting Premier at some time during his Parliamentary career....   http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/blair-sir-james-william-5266

The person who died on 27 September 1898, aged only 37, of pneumonia after contracting measles was probably Thomas BYRNES…  He was Queensland’s first Solicitor General, and it was he who became premier of Qld in April 1898….
http://www.crownlaw.qld.gov.au/about/history/the-first-solicitor-general

JM

That is correct JM.
I found the mistake soon after that post and I forgot to rectify it. You are correct.
I copied it from a book I downloaded and 'transcribed' it wrongly.:-)
Thanks.