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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #90 on: Sunday 09 April 17 02:37 BST (UK) »
So the info on the dc is likely taken from the 1876 mc.

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #91 on: Sunday 09 April 17 03:03 BST (UK) »
Thoroughly enjoying reading this thread.
But playing devil's advocate here  :P ;D

Jane Norval/Blair has a daughter Jane with Henry Schawber - who could well have been her employer as she is noted on her daughter's marriage cert as being a former housekeeper before marrying Gordon Blair. She then has Georgina to Gordon in 1850. Jane goes on to lose 4 sons and 1 daughter in the next 7 years - an unnamed male child in 1852, 2 James Gordons - one in 1854 and one in 1856, a Thomas James in 1857 and a Jane in 1855.
She is recorded as a widow on 1861 Census using her own name Norval - maybe trying to hold on to a façade of respectability  :-\
I'm not sure about the scenario of Jane being a prostitute while she and Gordon were living together as husband and wife. I think it much more likely, sadly, that Gordon left the marriage and eventually left for Australia cutting off all ties. Therefore if Jane was indeed a prostitute by 1863 it was probably because it was her only way of supporting herself and her daughter.
Of course, we will never know what really happened, but somehow a law clerks wife leading a double life as a prostitute seems a bit unlikely to me.
 
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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #92 on: Sunday 09 April 17 03:17 BST (UK) »
Hopefully of interest ....

http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Search/BasicSearch.aspx

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Eccs Files
Gordon BLAIR  Series 4486 Item 281260
Julia BLAIR, Item 2815283

Land Agreement 23/9/1863-22/2/1864
Gordon BLAIR as Purchaser …. Series 1215, Item 1959983

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #93 on: Sunday 09 April 17 03:19 BST (UK) »
Note another difference with the 1876 MC of Gordon & Julia - he declares he is 29 yrs old and Julia is 27 yrs old and again his parents are John Blair - farmer & Jane Blair. The parents now have to be declared a fact being declared on two of the most important documents. MC & DC.




 
I hadn't picked up on a Blair marrying a Blair but seeing it like this makes sense now.

 
Annie



Not really ???
Informants on Death certificates are often upset and confused.  Errors do happen.


Gordon BLAIR’s  death Certificate 1900-
Father John BLAIR
Mother Jane DUNN

Gordon BLAIR’s Marriage Certificate 1876. Parents, John BLAIR. Jane.

Jane BLAIR ("senior") Death Index 1882
Father John BLAIR
Mother Jane DUNN

Jane BLAIR (MARKS, KIPPPEN) Marriage Certificate.1865
Father William BLAIR
Mother Jane BLAIR

Death index 1897
Father BLAIR
Mother Jane.

Possible parental names- William BLAIR and Jean DUNN (from online tree)


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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #94 on: Sunday 09 April 17 03:42 BST (UK) »
I think the birth for Jane in 1855 (if not already purchased) would be a good investment as it gives extra info. which is not on any other years certs.

I could not find a Gordon Blair in 1855 on the VR's  ???

The above BC would confirm an address too.

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #95 on: Sunday 09 April 17 04:03 BST (UK) »
Of course, we will never know what really happened, but somehow a law clerks wife leading a double life as a prostitute seems a bit unlikely to me.
 
Looby :)

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Who would expect a Law Clerk to abandon (if he did), his family for a life 1000's of miles away?

Jane is already declaring to be a widow which makes you wonder if she even knew where he was?

"Died 23 Aug 1900 on DC. Where born - Glasgow Lanark Scotland"

So, all the evidence (which we still don't know about) where he states he was born in several other places is not true but the place of birth given by a 3rd party has to be fact  ???

Didn't he also state he was single/bachelor on his 2nd marriage?

I have missed where 2nd wife was from, was she from Scotland & if so, when did she arrive, before Gordon, on same ship or after & who with?

Annie

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #96 on: Sunday 09 April 17 04:34 BST (UK) »

Didn't he also state he was single/bachelor on his 2nd marriage?

I have missed where 2nd wife was from, was she from Scotland & if so, when did she arrive, before Gordon, on same ship or after & who with?

Annie

Re the marriage
Reply #9. Page 2

Re the arrival details of Julia DROUGHTON
Reply #64 Page 8

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Type a keyword into the search box which appears then go through the pages of the thread.


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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #97 on: Sunday 09 April 17 04:51 BST (UK) »
Thanks Sue,

Use it on docs on comp, never tried it on threads!!

"Earliest I see is
Clementina DROUGHTON.
Ship Golden Era. 1855.
For Moreton Bay
Housemaid
Born Westmeath
Age 25. C of E. Can read and write.
Parents Henry and Eliza . Mother dead. Father lives at ?Newtown?
Relations in the Colony- Cousin Eliza DUNN living at Darling Downs. Five pounds reg. by Eliza DUNN."

So there's connections/relations with the Droughtons & Dunns & this was as early as 1855.

Annie

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #98 on: Sunday 09 April 17 05:51 BST (UK) »
Yes, Clementina would appear to be Elizabeth EDIT error Julia  DROUGHTON's sister and as the reply #64 shows, a brother Charles arrived too as well as Elizabeth EDIT error Julia on a different date.

Eliza(beth) DUNNE died as Mrs VIGNOLES, having married for a second time.

Death notice for Elizabeth (formerly DUNNE) at the home of her son Charles D. DUNNE. Also mother of James DUNNE who is listed as still being at Darling Downs.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/19393390

These are the deaths of her 2 sons in the DUNNE name.

1918   C877   Charles Daniel DUNNE
Father Daniel Dunne
Mother Elizabeth DROUGHTON
 

1921   C1394 James DUNNE
Father Daniel DUNNE
Mother Elizabeth DROUGHTON

So perhaps there was a connection between the BLAIR/DUNN
And the DROUGHTON/DUNNE

Nothing conclusive.

Sue
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