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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #81 on: Sunday 09 April 17 01:06 BST (UK) »
Wivenhoe the witnesses listed - 'In the presence of us' - George Lowe Wilson and Charles Archibald Ogg.

Charles Ogg was also the Officiating Officer.
Seems like a registry quickie maybe.?
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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #82 on: Sunday 09 April 17 01:11 BST (UK) »
Thanks OS,

That would be great as I was finding it as though I was reading a book & having to search for the next page to continue as everything was a bit all over the place  ::)

The mistress of the establishment , Jane Norval or Blair, forfeited pledge for non-appearance to answer a charge.....

It makes you wonder if Gordon found out what Jane had been up to & then doubted the paternity of his kids, couldn't cope with the shock & decided to up & off to forget the whole thing & start a fresh life?

I can now kind of understand some untruths, not wanting to be associated with his wife's life especially in the occ. he was, must have been a shock?

Very interesting thread & does read like a good book  ;D

Annie


I agree totally. The findings in the papers maybe after but who knows.
It doesn't look good for her and Gordon in a Law office rubbing shoulders with the well healed
mostly, wouldn't want to be associated with any sort of scandal.
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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #83 on: Sunday 09 April 17 01:26 BST (UK) »
Here is the Trove article our OP refers to re John MOLLOY and Gordon BLAIR on same voyage.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/186360762 Daily Standard 13 March 1930.

Some (not yet all) dots are starting to join up.   Interesting that a two year old John MOLLOY knew he came on same voyage as an adult Gordon BLAIR.   :)

And another http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/118470529

 

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #84 on: Sunday 09 April 17 01:50 BST (UK) »
Not sure if this has been mentioned, sorry if I missed it;

James Blair b 04 Apr 1826

Parents William Blair & Janet Dun

Born Bothkennar, Stirling

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XT2T-TZ4

Anyone know what happened to him?

Is it possible parents died when he was young & brought up by older sis Jane, hence sometimes being James Gordon?

Just a thought for now as there doesn't seem to be a baptism for Gordon?

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #85 on: Sunday 09 April 17 01:54 BST (UK) »
And another http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/118470529

JM

Message on that link;

"I'm sorry, but an error has prevented this page from loading correctly.
If the problem continues please contact the National Library."

Maybe a temp blip?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #86 on: Sunday 09 April 17 02:00 BST (UK) »
Some Facts as supplied by credible Family members.

*Sir James William Blair - Birth not registered - Birth taken from Ipswich Grammar School records
  likely supplied by his Mother Julia Blair and she was highly regarded in the community. 16 May 1871.
*Henry Gordon ditto above and the enrollment date of both was 6 Mar 1882 and his birth 21 Aug 1867.
* Sir James William Blair retired on ... 16 May 1940 age 69yrs to the day. No coincidence 16 May so it is extremely likely those are their birth dates even though not registered. Died 18 Nov 1944.

*** Gordon Blair no known birth registration on ScotlandsPeople. Died 23 Aug 1900 on DC. Where born - Glasgow Lanark Scotland been in Qld 40yrs. name of Father John Blair - Hotelkeeper - name of Mother Jane Dun. Was married Brisbane Stanley Qld age 24 yrs to whom Julia Droughton.

Informant: J.W. Blair son Ipswich.

*** Now a missing piece of the puzzle as supplied by the Informant. Age at death:
66yrs 11 months 4 days!!! How precise is that. It is a true fact of his birth date as known and celebrated each and every year supplied by the Chief Justice of Qld.

I tried to backdate it to find the actual date in my Excel program and it only calculates dates from 1900 onwards. I have downloaded addins that said it could but they didn't work and finally I found one... He was born on Thursday 19 Sep 1833 according to the son and Chief Justice of Qld.

Finally his actual real birth date to work from. Make any difference? probably not much but maybe.
At least we now know.

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #87 on: Sunday 09 April 17 02:00 BST (UK) »
And another http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/118470529

JM

Message on that link;

"I'm sorry, but an error has prevented this page from loading correctly.
If the problem continues please contact the National Library."

Maybe a temp blip?

Annie

Working fine for me  http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/118470529
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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #88 on: Sunday 09 April 17 02:14 BST (UK) »
Note another difference with the 1876 MC of Gordon & Julia - he declares he is 29 yrs old and Julia is 27 yrs old and again his parents are John Blair - farmer & Jane Blair. The parents now have to be declared a fact being declared on two of the most important documents. MC & DC.

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #89 on: Sunday 09 April 17 02:36 BST (UK) »
Re lack of evidence of registration of birth for Qld BDM .....  I have already discussed this, but please, please, remember that where a registration was not made in person at the Registrar General's HEAD Office, that there's always the possibility that if made at a local office that it was not ever forwarded to the Head Office.    May I just mention that I have no real physical experience of researching births/baptisms in records in Qld, but that I have such real physical experiences of researching births/baptisms in records in NSW, including back long before centralised, computerised registration processes.  May I also mention that I have several living ancestors who spent a lifetime career in NSW BDM, including at Senior Levels, involved in the development of the EDP system.   That does not mean I am right or wrong, but ......  I can assure you that if Qld BDM administrative procedures of the 1860s and 1870s followed NSW admin procedures of that time, that it is not at all unusual to NOT find any number of birth registrations from any particular locality.   I share (and I have previously mentioned this at RChat) :   Together with a church archivist I found around 800 bdm events in their NSW parish register that were NOT listed on any of the NSW BDM indexes (not on the fische, nor the CDs, nor the online index).   That's from one locality.  It took years and years for NSW BDM to verify this, and then to accept and then to update their records.     NSW, like QLD has many rivers that can flood.  Once civil registration commenced for BDM, many of the areas (including Ipswich in Qld) had the registration process for BDMs as a part time function of the local (Petty Sessions etc) court clerks.   In NSW (and perhaps Qld) there's many of those court records that were lost in floods, fire, or other natural disasters, just as there's perhaps clerks who failed to forward quarterly summaries to Head Office.   

Just because today's BDM officers have not found a civil registration for a particular person does NOT mean that such a registration did NOT take place.   It may well be that neither Gordon nor Julia registered the births of their sons (I think you may find they could have attended ANY deputy registrar anywhere in Qld, not just the one nearest their locality).   

If Gordon's deceased estate was probated, does that file include information about his sons?  If they are named as his sons, under his will,  then any question as to their being his legitimate sons or otherwise is surely overcome by the proving of that will in accord with Qld laws.   

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