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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #63 on: Saturday 08 April 17 03:35 BST (UK) »
Well, err .... so possibly no signature for the 1850 marriage .... so err ...  as yet there's actually no confirmation opportunities linking those Scottish index sightings of Gordon BLAIR with Jane NORVAL and the Queensland Australia Gordon BLAIR with Julia DROUGHTON .....

Considering that Qld Marriage Act 1865 tightened up the recording/registration process, perhaps the reason for the 1876 Qld marriage was simply that no record could be found of the 1863 Qld one.   

It is entirely possible that the Gordon BLAIR in Qld has not told fibs, and the person recording the information may have mis-heard the details he provided ORALLY, (clergy can make mistakes on parish registers, even today, and transcribers can mis-read the handwriting and add to those mistakes).

NSW state archives online index includes their holdings of passenger lists into Moreton Bay.  Gordon BLAIR is not there, but there is a  Jane BLAIR, 33 years per William Miles in 1855, to Moreton Bay.   Again, I mention that NOT ALL passenger lists to any port in any of the colonies in the Antipodes survived, NOT ALL passenger lists included names of those travelling steerage, and NOT ALL passenger lists have been transcribed and indexed and NOT ALL birth registrations arrived at or were accurately processed by the Registrar General's Office.     

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #64 on: Saturday 08 April 17 05:31 BST (UK) »
Some passenger information. DROUGHTON

Earliest I see is
Clementina DROUGHTON.
Ship Golden Era. 1855.
For Moreton Bay
Housemaid
Born Westmeath
Age 25. C of E. Can read and write.
Parents Henry and Eliza . Mother dead. Father lives at ?Newtown?
Relations in the Colony- Cousin Eliza DUNN living at Darling Downs. Five pounds reg. by Eliza DUNN.

Julia DROUGHTON
Ship, British Empire. 4th Feb 1859.
For Moreton Bay.
Servant
Born Westmeath.
Aged  24.  C of E. Can read and write.
[She is classified with unmarried women not being part of a family]

DROUGHTON, Charles.
Ship, British Empire. 4th Feb 1859.
For Moreton Bay.
Labourer
Born Westmeath.
Aged 24. C of E. Can read and write..

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #65 on: Saturday 08 April 17 07:39 BST (UK) »
Has anyone searched for a death in Scotland for a Gordon Blair, in case the one who married Jane Norval in Scotland is not the one who ended up in Australia?

It rings a few alarm bells with different parents named for Gordon. It might be an idea to make a list of the names and dates of the parents and the record in which they were named - setting it out on paper may help clarify?
Eg:
18XX marriage brisbane parents X and X
18XX death brisbane parents X and X.
 :-\
Similar with differing dates and places of birth .....

Even if Gordon fibbed about some things, there is little point in fibbing about parents who are either still back in Scotland, or long dead .... unless he or informants did not know.  :-\


Added: I just checked SP  but can't see a likely looking death for Gordon Blair .... :(

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #66 on: Saturday 08 April 17 08:43 BST (UK) »
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Julia DROUGHTON
Ship, British Empire. 4th Feb 1859.
For Moreton Bay.
Servant
Born Westmeath.
Aged  24.  C of E. Can read and write.
[She is classified with unmarried women not being part of a family]

And on same voyage, a huge co-incidence, as there's a BLAIR family, Robert and Ann, and their children....  :)

https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/immigration-and-shipping/indexes

ADD  images of that passenger list :
http://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?series=NRS5316&item=4_4795&ship=British%20Empire

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #67 on: Saturday 08 April 17 10:59 BST (UK) »
From the British Newspaper Archives -
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....and Ann Stewart , for fighting with each other in the house of Jane Norval or Blair , John Street(city), were fined each, or go 30 days prison. The mistress of the establishment , Jane Norval or Blair, forfeited pledge for non-appearance to answer a charge.....
Monday 22 August 1864, Glasgow Morning Journal, Lanarkshire, Scotland



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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #68 on: Saturday 08 April 17 12:40 BST (UK) »
It might be an idea to make a list of the names and dates of the parents and the record in which they were named - setting it out on paper may help clarify?
Eg:
18XX marriage brisbane parents X and X
18XX death brisbane parents X and X.
 :-\
Similar with differing dates and places of birth .....

Even if Gordon fibbed about some things, there is little point in fibbing about parents who are either still back in Scotland, or long dead .... unless he or informants did not know.  :-\

Ruskie,

I asked the same question for the benefit of others with all the different info. flying around & not knowing the where's/when's?

Reply #2

"Can you do a summary please of what his name was on each doc. such as marriages, kids births, travel & where he was supposedly born on docs relevant etc?"

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #69 on: Saturday 08 April 17 12:50 BST (UK) »
Annie I agree that it would be helpful to have all of this information summarised. In the original post there was mention of other sources giving even more differing years of birth ... all of those facts probably need to be revisited.  :-\

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #70 on: Saturday 08 April 17 14:25 BST (UK) »
And on same voyage, a huge co-incidence, as there's a BLAIR family, Robert and Ann, and their children....  :)

https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/immigration-and-shipping/indexes

ADD  images of that passenger list :
http://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?series=NRS5316&item=4_4795&ship=British%20Empire

JM

Would be worth finding them in Scotland prior to the voyage!

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #71 on: Saturday 08 April 17 14:32 BST (UK) »
This may or may not be relevant later but Stirling(shire) & Perth(shire) border each other.

The Blair/Norval marriage was in Glasgow, Lanark(shire)..........

Food for thought for now.

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"