Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!

[isobelw]

According to the Findmypast 1861 transcription Jane Norval/ Blair was calling herself a widow.
Isobel

[Ruskie]

I would suggest trying to forget about Stirlingshire Gordon for a bit, and go back to the information your known Gordon himself supplied on his marriage certificate to Julia. You have to presume this information is correct (and you have to start somewhere).

Have you tried to find John, Jane, Gordon and any other children on the Scottish censuses? If you are using a pay site like Ancestry you only have (often poor) transcriptions to rely on. If you can't easily find them, you might need to be more creative in your searches in the hope of catching them, and use some credits on SP to confirm census findings.

Blair is a relatively common Scottish surname, and Gordon is a relatively common forename ....

[wivenhoe]

Continuing from reply #16, and using the obituary for Jane MARKS, formerly KIPPEN, nee BLAIR....

.....arrived in Queensland on the William Miles about 1855...had only two children....James who died in infancy and Mr William KIPPEN.....

"William Miles"  arr. 16 Jan 1855
KIPPEN James 28  cartwright  Perthshire   read and write   Presb.
KIPPEN Jane 23                     Stirlingshire  read and write  Presb.
KIPPEN Isabella  6                 Stirlingshire  read and write  Presb.
KIPPEN William   2                 Stirlingshire                         Presb.

also, of interest -
BLAIR Jane  33  housemaid   Stirlingshire    read and write  Presb.

Queensland Times, Ipswich and Herald and General Advertiser 14 Nov 1882
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/123275342?

FUNERAL.—The Friends of the late Mrs. Jane BLAIR are respectfully invited to attend her   
Funeral, to move from the Residence of Mr. Wm. KIPPEN. Syntax-street
(died 13th, 82 years)

An online tree includes the death certificate -
Jane BLAIR............. died 13 November 1882, at Ipswich, 82 years.
parents John BLAIR,   ......keeper,  and Jane DUNN
informant............... William KIPPEN, grandson, Ipswich
buried 14th November.............. Ipswich Cemetery
born........... Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland.    about 36 years in Queensland  (26?...unclear)
married.......... Lanarkshire Scotland, age 18, William BLAIR
children.....living James 54yrs, Elizabeth 52yrs, Gordon 50 years.

If Jane BLAIR arrived in Australia 1846, or 1856, it was before the arrival of her son Gordon, if he arrived 1861?

[majm]

Some things confuddle me

How do we join the dots from Gordon BLAIR in Qld back to Gordon BLAIR a solicitor’s clerk and husband of Jane, and father to Georgina…. ….


Anyways, here’s the Index sightings that I have found…. To me, the Qld dots are not yet stretching back to Georgina Lorimer BLAIR… 

Georgina Lorimer BLAIR born Nov 1850, parents as Gordon BLAIR and Jane NORVAL
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X1S9-K9Z

1851 Scotland Census (30/31 March 1851)
Gordon BLAIR 23,   Jane BLAIR 21,  Georgina BLAIR 4 months ….
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VYB7-THJ

10 Aug 1868  MARRIAGE for Georgina Lorimer BLAIR – in Scotland –
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYWQ-4B7

To me, indexes point to original documents and indexes don't usually have a full transcription of the original document, and can be misleading - spelling errors, total mis-reads, failing to record relationships etc...



JM

[sparrett]

Here's a picture of William KIPPEN

http://picture.ipswich.qld.gov.au/awweb/main.jsp?flag=browse&smd=1&awdid=1

Sue

[wivenhoe]

QLD BDM marriage
26 December 1865 Presby Church Ipswich
KIPPEN Jane...........widow, 28 years, b. Scotland, res. Ipswich
parents William BLAIR, hotelkeeper  and Jane BLAIR.

MARKS John........bachelor, 28 years, b. Scotland, res Ipswich.
parents John MARKS, carpenter  and Agnes FERGUSON

witnesses Gordon BLAIR  and Elizabeth DROUGHTON.

[OZScot]

According to the Findmypast 1861 transcription Jane Norval/ Blair was calling herself a widow.
Isobel

Thanks for your input Isobelw. Was that from an 1861 Census? I hope not because I found her as a boarder age 27 yrs with her daughter Georgina 9yrs at 42 Maxwell st Glasgow and she's a stay-maker. [had to look that up] The information may be correct however as Gordon was her 2nd Marriage. Georgina was not his child. She was the daughter of Henry Schwabe 1823-1850? and he died before she was born in 15 Nov 1850.

Can you supply more detail please of where it came from? If it's her she has totally reverted back to her maiden past and ignores her whole marriage & time with Gordon. Must have been a terrible time together as after Georgina the next 3 children died rather quickly. May have caused the split.

Gordon's 1st child with Julia Droughton died within a month from memory.
Thanks.

[OZScot]

I would suggest trying to forget about Stirlingshire Gordon for a bit, and go back to the information your known Gordon himself supplied on his marriage certificate to Julia. You have to presume this information is correct (and you have to start somewhere).

Have you tried to find John, Jane, Gordon and any other children on the Scottish censuses? If you are using a pay site like Ancestry you only have (often poor) transcriptions to rely on. If you can't easily find them, you might need to be more creative in your searches in the hope of catching them, and use some credits on SP to confirm census findings.

Blair is a relatively common Scottish surname, and Gordon is a relatively common forename ....

Yes I have tried to find John & Jane on ScotlandsPeople and have several contenders and 2 good ones but can't yet link them to Gordon.

Thanks.

[OZScot]

Here's a picture of William KIPPEN

http://picture.ipswich.qld.gov.au/awweb/main.jsp?flag=browse&smd=1&awdid=1

Sue

Hi Sue. That link expired on me I didn't get to read it in time as I was out yesterday afternoon.

'Ipswich Gov expired' and asked for a username etc.?? Is that picture in their Pioneer of Ipswich booklet?. I forget it's real name.

I love seeing the people when you finally track them down as you know things about their life.
I have several pictures of Sir James William Blair in his Judge's regalia that I have passed on to this
lady but as yet none of Gordon or Julia. Would love some of them for her. They are her GG-Grandparents.

Thanks.