Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!

[OZScot]

I'm getting more & more confused!!

Is there a chance of info. not concluded early doors in the research of this family from e.g. the g/parents of the living person who's tree this is?

Has everything been matched up conclusively from those g/parents or even the parents back the way?

Where names & similar occupations in same towns can be mixed up especially if mother's names are not given, is it possible there may have been a mix-up early on?

Maybe a double check would do no harm?

Annie

Annie, the lady I'm doing it for, her mother is still alive would you believe!!! ...
and her Mother was Isabella Margaret Blair da of Henry Gordon Blair & Margaret Jones.
They called Henry 'Grandpa Harry' she recalls but they only knew him as Harry.
She's a darling of a little woman. Still perkie.

I can say that as none of her information is available anywhere I know.

Isabella's husband's side is even harder than the Blair's. He was Irish and she said she only
knew her father as Daniel but it appears to be Daniel James O'Connor sometimes O'Conner.
I and it looks as though most people find getting reliable information from Irish records difficult
because the IRA destroyed a lot of them I'm told. Probably? sounds like that could happen even if unintentional.

Thanks.

[majm]

I can see from the online QLD bdm index that she is likely to be of similar age to my living rellies too.  Yes, at that grand age they are alert, full of info and can remember the telegram boy riding push bikes delivering the sad telegrams during WWI.

JM

[OZScot]

I had already supplied the possible birth dates for Henry Gordon Blair and James William from records of their school enrollments. The plain facts are that they aren't registered on BDM's Qld.
Information published about them came from the same sources. It still doesn't change the fact that they aren't there and could still be wrong.

J.W.Blair didn't lie as you suggest, as that date would have been told to him by Gordon and or Julia and family members many years ago and his birthday would have been celebrated on that anniversary. I knew my parents dates exactly the same way. Any lie would have been perpetrated from above down as he was the youngest. Pretty fanciful to say he did it.

Gordon has lied along the way and you and everyone knows it and it's been highlighted and accepted - except by you. Things he should have known are clearly incorrect and he supplied the information. Every mistake he made isn't all down to deaf registrars. Bad memory ok.? Married in 1863? and I've seen 1864? Not registered - fact.

If he did marry in 1863/64 he had such a good time he decided to do it all again in 1874 just for the record? maybe? but it's the only one registered between them that we have to go with. I have made errors on this post and promptly agreed and owned up to them.

I'm just an amateur trying my best to help someone and get assistance to make it right for a little old lady and her daughter find their past.

[OZScot]

I mentioned her mother's name who is dead !!!

[majm]

I am saying that at the online index for Qld bdm there are a number of children showing with Henry and Margaret as their parents as those births are not on the restricted access lists, being for births more than 100 years ago.   

It is entirely possible that people aged over 100 years are still alive and alert in Australia.    I think there's around 4000 such people. 

JM

[isobelw]

Have discovered that the New South Wales Assisted Immigrant Passenger Lists on Ancestry have the list for the William Miles arriving Jan 1855 and names of relatives in U.K.are included. Jean Kippen (mistranscribed as Kipper) is recorded as daughter of Wm and Jane Blair. William is deceased and Jane is living in Stirlingshire( so not the Jane Blair listed as also on board). All good so far!! Then we come to Elizabeth Aitken. She is also the daughter of Wm and Jane Blair, but in her case William is living in Sydney and Jane is deceased!! However it also says Elizabeth has no relatives in Australia. Jane Blair age 33 is supposedly the daughter of a John and Jane Blair ( both deceased) and it says her neice is also on board the ship ( but no indication of who that neice might be).
Isobel

[wivenhoe]

This marriage certificate - can you please name the witnesses

BLAIR Gordon   NORVAL Jane   7 June 1850

[isobelw]

This was before the start of civil registration in Scotland so sadly no witnesses noted.
Isobel

[majm]

My transcription for marriage between Gordon BLAIR and Julia DROUGHTON, noting that the online image is written on the one hand throughout, so likely a summary entry, all four marriages on the page are in that same hand.  . 

7th July 1876 Brisbane, Manse, Ann St, according to the rites of the Presbyterian Church 

Gordon BLAIR,
Bachelor,
Dumfries, Dumfrieshire, Scotland,
Freeholder,
29
Stanthorpe
John BLAIR, farmer, and Jane BLAIR

Julia DROUGHTON
Spinster
Ballymore, Westmeath, Ireland
27
Goondiwindi
Henry DROUGHTON, farmer and Eliza LOWE

Witnesses George Lowe WILSON and Charles Archibald OGG.

The Reverend Charles OGG conducted the ceremony.

I also notice that perhaps the Rev’s son was one of the witnesses, and that the other witness may be related to Julia via her mother (LOWE).

Question :

Has anyone sought to obtain the original parish register (Presbyterian) to check and confirm (or otherwise) the information actually given by both Gordon and Julia about themselves and compare it with the info on the civil registration .... (ages, usual addresses, parents, and to find actual signatures to compare with for example birth cert for Elizabeth born 1863 .... )   

JM