Author Topic: Major Denis Bingham's son William birth information (Read 60566 times)

amac1210

Hi Bob,
Yes everyone seems to have been connected. I posted this before, on your other thread, but it might be a useful reminder:

"This might not be a huge help but I note the 1871 marriage of Henry Bingham, apparently son of Denis Bingham, to Barbara Connor.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1871/11336/8160681.pdf. Note the witnesses are Michael and Catherine Geraghty. We also see a Sarah Geraghty appearing on the marriage just above, between Anthony Doherty and Ellen Kilcoyne. You may know these names already but maybe they will help. Can't be too far removed from Katherine Geraghty"

If I'm right, and the Binghams were moving in the same circles, then it would seem likely Michael and Catherine Geraghty were related to Kitty. Given the lapse in time, they could well be two generations down from her, perhaps descended from a brother of hers? It's rather difficult to know anything else unless we have names for her relatives.

As to John Togher, he was son of Stephen Togher and Mary Geraghty. Mary Geraghty is listed as daughter of John Geraghty. Again, John would probably be two generations or so down from Kitty and Bridget. All very speculative.

I did find one further potential Geraghty relation of yours though - Richard Geraghty who died in Castlebar aged 95 years, in 1872. That puts his birth way back in 1777 - could easily a brother of Kitty and Bridget. His wife was named Nancy Geraghty.

Happy New Year to you also - it'll be good to see the back of this virus soon!

amac1210

Bob Queensland

Thanks Amac
Your Geraghty information should fill a few weeks of exploration
Fingers crossed
Keep safe
Bob

Kathleenmary

Hi Bob from Queensland and also amac1210.

Bob.
Bridget Geraghty was born in Leitrim Village County Mayo. Perhaps Kitty was born here also.
There appears to be some family connection with the Tollett Family, who originally came up with Sir Arthur Shaen in the early 1700's. Rev John Tollett, as part of the protestant settlement was given lands in perpetuity.

Some family history (I am following this up) says that Bridget and Katherine were nieces of the Viscount of Mayo, Lord Francis Tollett of Moyrahan, and cousins of Lord William Tollett of Mayo 1780-1849.

Perhaps these girls were not Catholic at all, and perhaps not as peasanty as I thought. This info comes from a newly discovered relative in New Zealand so I have to chase all this up.

The marriage of the Major and Kitty makes more sense to me now. I dont think she was his cook.

Hi Amac1210

My ancestor Edward Kelly born 1750 probably around Castlebar or perhaps Ballina did have some brothers but I dont know who they are because I dont know who Edward's parents are yet.

Edward and Bridget Geraghty had 3 sons and one daughter, Thomas, Henry, Edward and Barbara.

This son, Edward, had 9 kids 6 of whom went to America and were never heard of again. Three sons remained.

Son Henry 1820 to 1900 had two sons and three daughters...Maybe your John is one of these ones? I dont know their names or the name of his wife...

His brother Martin went to the Indian Army and had no issue, his youngest brother Edward is the father of Henry Edward my GG Grandfather.

There have been no descendants of Edward Kelly and Bridget Geragthy in Belmullet since about 1880..all migrated to Australia and New Zealand.

There is only one called John in all this mob, that his John Henry Kelly my grandfather born Hornsby 1895. Everyone else seems to be called Henry or Edward or Edward Henry or Michael!

Kathleenmary

Hi Amac1210

Just had a look at the Denis Kelly line...these ones are protestant. The ancestors were all fiercely Catholic. Of my eight Great Aunts descended from Edward and Bridget six became nuns...in Sydney.

I also have a Barret ancestor Julia Barret m Michael Monaghan, the mother of Mary Monaghan who was the mother of all the nun Aunts..I dont know anything about the Barrets..More Research!!!

heywood

Hello everyone,
I follow this thread at times just for my own interest. I must have contributed at some point but it is so long and quite complicated. I am amazed at the information found.

Kathleenmary, you have written:
“ Bob. Bridget Geraghty was born in Leitrim Village County Mayo. Perhaps Kitty was born here also.”
There isn’t a Leitrim in Mayo. I notice this happens in some published trees. I am not sure if it is just Ancestry.There is a Mayo village in Leitrim -it might be worth checking the source.

A bit of a light hearted story here for you Bingham searchers. My husband has ancestry in that area and a couple of days ago, I thought I would check his DNA matches for any Binghams. I only usually check 4th or closer but did a wider search. He has a distant shared match who has the Henry (Harry) Bingham (son of Denis) and Barbara Conner marriage, 1871.
This is referred to by amac1210 a few posts ago.
That Henry is described as a labourer and his father, Denis, as a farmer.

I have found that area to be quite difficult to research due to the repetition of surnames, inter marriages etc but mine, due to available records, is not as early as your available ones with the Bingham family.

Good luck to you all.
Heywood

Kathleenmary

Thanks Heyward, my mistake, you are correct.

Leitrim Village is about an hour away from Newbrook where Major Denis Bingham and my ancester Edward were before going up to Belmullet.

You are also correct about the difficulty researching this area and era.
Im lucky that folks wrote things down...
Thanks for your help.

amac1210

Hi Kathleenmary,

Very interesting information! Often Protestants and Catholics converted back and forth. One line of the Binghams, back in the early 18th century, were descendants of King Charles II and his mistress Lucy Walter. This is the line of Anne Vesey who married John Bingham, 5th Baronet. Bear in mind that Mary Crofts, from whom they descended, was sister to James Scott, Duke of Monmouth. He tried to take the Crown and was beheaded by his uncle James VII for treason. They were staunch Catholics and Jacobite Royalists in the time before 1688, anyway. Yet, as the years wore on, this allegiance inverted. The reality is that religion was less a matter of personal piety as it was of politics. It's often difficult to be sure of when the family "converted" one way or the other.

Some information on the Barretts, and this is only slightly relevant to the thread. They were the landowners in Mayo prior to the Binghams, and alongside the Burkes. As far as I can tell, these three families of Burke, Bingham and Barrett were the main landowners in Erris from the Middle Ages to the early modern era. It was in the reign of Queen Elizabeth I, if I'm not mistaken, that the last "Baron of Irrus" (Erris) was deposed in favour of the new Tudor gentry coming in. His name was Edmund Barrett - and Mayo records show the names Edmund and Richard were very common in even the early 20th century with this family. Good luck piecing together any lineage here though! Here again, the issue was religion, but more fundamentally allegiance to the Crown. The Barretts had first arrived apparently under King John Lackland, but by the 16th century they were less loyal to England. Another character worth researching is Grace O'Malley - the "Pirate Queen" - who hailed from Mayo and sat down to negotiations with Elizabeth I herself.

I think for John Kelly, we'd have to address who James Bingham was. Baptism records non-existent, and I'm at a loss as to who his father Robert Bingham represents, if not Robert Augustus. The key to it is that James is found in Dublin, marrying in 1848 to Catherine Kelly, before dying in Castlebar in 1890. Clearly he was in some contact with the wider family, or why would he end up in the same locality as them (?) - Henry Bingham and Letitia Daly's descendants. Same applies to Henry Bingham = Barbara Connor. It'd be interesting to piece together the different connections. There are indeed hundreds of Kellys and Geraghtys in Mayo, but perhaps there is a common thread to those that connected into this family? I suppose regarding Kitty and Bridget the next step is to exhaustively research the Tolletts!

amac1210

By the by, Richard Barrett - the Bard of Erris - was married to Nancy Tollett, daughter of Sean Tollett of Moyrane. How does Sean Tollett - a landowner himself - connect to Francis Tollett? This would connect the Bard to the Major's family, and explain how he was ingratiated with them.

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