Help Desperately Needed to knock down massive brick wall!!

[amielou86]

Possible. Would've made William 2 when he died

[JAKnighton]

Have you considered that his name at birth might have been Ambrose William instead of William Ambrose. I have a few cases in my tree where people with unusual/antiquated first names, Ambrose included, have decided to swap the order of their christian names.

[amielou86]

No I hadn't thought of that, but so simple! My grandfather actually does this!

Will try this now! Thank you!

[iolaus]

Another thing may have been he added the Ambrose later - either when he was baptised or later.  My great grandfather I always believed was Arthur Frank, that's the name on his death certificate and he used his middle name.

When I found his birth and baptism records he was just Arthur, however he had a twin brother Frank who died when they were 3 months old.  Whether he decided himself to add his brother's name when he was older or his parents did it I don't know

[amielou86]

** UPDATE **

I have found the marriage certificate I knew I had.

On it, William lists his father as Job Kirkland  (still alive), a Brick Maker.

And Mary Jane BAKER  (aged 19) lists her father as Joseph Baker, deceased, a Labourer.

Had a look and can't find anything for Joseph so I've ordered what I believe to be Mary's birth certificate. Fingers crossed!!

I've also looked as their oldest daughter Lily was born October 1876 (marriage is  December 1876)....

[iolaus]

There's a Job Kirkland who dies in 1879 aged 58 who may be a possibility for his father

[willsy]

I was just looking at that one! There's a piece in the paper

Leicester Journal 21 March 1879

On the 13th. inst.,. at 1, Victoria-street, Mr. Job kirkland, aged 58 years.

He's buried at Welford Road Cemetery

all in the grave

Q   2082
KIRKLAND   JOB   1879   MAR   17   58   VICTORIA STREET   SAINT MARY
HACKETT   PHOEBE   1884   JUL   2   56   WHARF STREET   SAINT MARGARET
KIRKLAND   ANN   1894   DEC   17   75   VICTORIA STREET   SAINT MARY

HUDSON   JOHN   1914   JUL   3   72   COUNTESS STREET   LEICESTER
HUDSON   SARAH ANN   1919   DEC   9   74   54 HOWARD ROAD   LEICESTER

[keyboard86]

Hi that Job Kirkland aged 50 in 1871 occ Cordwainer.
Keyboard86

[willsy]

Just followed him through and found them, his occupation doesn't change.

Tried all sorts in Wales too but at a loss