Hankey family Dunedin

[iwonder_who]

Many thanks Lu....

am desperately hoping the Emily and Heinrich children are unaccounted for in NZ at some time after arriving and are the ones Ive been looking for for years!

Cheers

[Lucy2]

Hello again

Just to start with, it does seem that these HENKE families were probably related (unconfirmed, but they were bracketed together on the passenger manifesto).

You say your gt/grandfather Heinrich was born 1856 ?...  though I expect you actually meant "1865" (as is mentioned in other threads) ?

I've looked over your previous threads (going back to 2009) and also viewed a number of "trees" online at Ancestry.

These trees, (and I'm guessing one of them is yours ? ) all carry almost identical information.   
They all too, make the assumption that "Harry HANKS" was in fact a man formerly named "Heinrich HENKE" who was born in Germany.    But what I cannot see in the various threads and "trees", is "documented" evidence that this is the case ?     

And, I think sometime in 2019, mention is made in a thread about a "blog" where you've said (or something similar) ... "we have confirmed our gt. grandfather was actually born in Germany around 1865".
It was not explained though where this information was found ??   

On the (WA) death certificate for Harry HANKS (1943) ... his age is given as 70 years (bc 1873), and his birthplace is shown as "Scotland".   [Included too father's name and occupation and mother's maiden surname. ]
And when Harry and Agnes travel to UK in 1929, his age is 64 (bc 1865) ... and again his birthplace is stated as "Scotland".   [Noting ...  same details appear on passenger list for return journey 1929 to AUS - and also on immigration list when entering Western Australia. ]   
But of course the information given in a death certificate can often be unreliable (supplied as it is by a third party).

I can see your previous searching has not revealed any "really useful" background information for "Harry (or Harold) HANKS" ... and because most of his children were born in South Africa, there is difficulty and great expense in obtaining their birth certs - which may (or may not) reveal additional information about Harry.

Considered a much more reliable source (because info is provided by bride and groom themselves), is a marriage record (the registry entry type ($20) - rather than a transcribed certificate).   

*    Do you actually have a copy of this  ?  (1893 - VIC )    [Or just snippets from an index ?? ]

*    And as Harry married twice, then his second marriage record would probably also be a worthwhile purchase (for comparisons sake anyway.)

I'm happy to pass on to you information I've gathered about the Heinrich HENKE family ... but will await your reply re: the Harry HANKS marriage record(s) before going ahead with this.   
[I have to say I'm not convinced at this stage that they are one and the same person. ]

      ~  Lu

* Edited (some wording) for clarity.



 


 


     

   

[iwonder_who]

Thanks for your lengthy reply Lucy.

As you can see this search for details of Harry Hanks has been a long one.  The name Heinrich Henke was given to us by details on the following page.  http://germanaustralianalianstomilitarism.blogspot.com/2011/09/h-surnames-germanic-emigrants-1870-1920.html     It listed the surname as Hankz.

From written stories by Harry's Eldest daughter he met his wife in Glasgow via his sister Emily.  They were apparently good friends.  Agnes was married at the time and they didnt marry until her husband died.  He didnt talk much about his background but had a distinct accent.  Family though him to be German or Danish.

Below is his marriage certificate and death certificate

Because I found the records of him working aboard ships in Australia and he married in Australia in Victoria I attributed a Naturalisation certificate to him which listed his birthplace as Groseneder.  On closer observation the timeline didnt fit and then I found a death certificate in Bendigo for a Heinrich Henke.  This shows me there was a distinct possibility I was follwoing the wrong Heinrich.

When I found the three Henke families travelling to New Zealand via Glasgow I wondered if there was a possibility not all continued or some returned to Glasgow. 

This of course will prove my theory wrong if Heinrich and Emily came to NZ and records of their lives there exist.

Any help you can throw on this would be appreciated.   I will order his marriage certificate for the second marriage and see if it has any further info but from what I can see he listed his birthplace as Glasgow for all records I have found.

[Lucy2]

Hi

Thanks for the additional information and copies of certs.

Did you realise that the right-hand portion of the marriage certificate, is missing from your image ?
(It's the important part too because included in that section are the names of Bride's and groom's parents.     )

What you have pictured below the first part of Harry and Agnes'  record > which is numbered   9052   >  is the first part of the record for a couple named   BARROW and MIDDLETON  (married on the same day - with their record being numbered 9053.)

*    Do you still have the image of the marriage 1893 that was sent to you ?    

[Usually there are three marriages on each image of these VIC records  (although you're only paying for one, they send you a copy of the full page on which the one you've ordered, appears.]    And they read across the page from left to right  with a dividing section which bears a stamp with another number.

      ~  Lu

*   Edited for further clarity.

[Lucy2]

Hello

... just wanted to point out some good news    re: the marriage record (image) you'e posted ... the last column is "Birthplace" and it does state he was born in GERMANY   !!!        I just can't quite decipher the "place" name as yet.    (And that would have come from information that Harry supplied.)

But yeah ... it's the other half of the image (bearing the parental details) that's really needed now so that we can progress your search and determine whether the New Zealand connection fits.   

Yes, I had earlier looked at that blog, but the information was scant and it didn't give a source.
It is always though worthwhile collecting all the bits and pieces you find, as sometimes they fit the "jigsaw".

I hadn't been aware from your earlier posts that you had written family information for Harry (and Agnes) ... and that can be very useful too in it's own way.

As for the Naturalisation of a Heinrich HENKE - it gave his age and date of the event - so he could be discounted from the search.  And somebody had found his death in Victoria early 1900's.

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Hello  iwonder_who

Are you still wanting information regarding the HANKEY / HENKE  family   ??

   ~    Lu

[iwonder_who]

Hi there Lucy!  Yes still following this family.  :-)  Yvonne

[Lucy2]

Hi Yvonne

Not sure whether perhaps you missed some information I posted earlier ??   

If you haven't already, then please read  my Reply  # 30  which refers to the Marriage certificate you have for STANTON - HANKS - 1893.   


Having the other portion of this certificate (i.e. the right-hand piece) - which bears the names of Harry HANKS' parents, - is, I believe, the key to helping identify whether or not he was part of the HENKE/HANKEY family who went to Dunedin, NZ.

*  Also, did you purchase a copy of the 2nd marriage (in WA) for your Harry HANKS ??

Await your reply.

     ~  Lu

[iwonder_who]

Hi again Lucy

Here is the photo in full,  Have also attached his death certificate.  Im not sure about the details the next of kin at the time advised.

Has anyone got death details for the NZ Heinrich Henke.  If they do that totally discounts my theory.