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Re: Holmes of Yorkshire?
« Reply #18 on: Monday 27 March 17 16:49 BST (UK) »
I've had a look at the 1851 census return where Martha (14 - born Hooton Pagnell), William (7 - born Howden), Solomon (5 - born Howden) and Ann (3 - born Howden) are all in the Union Workhouse in Howden.

From the new GRO facility, I have found William with mmn of Holmes and Solomon with mmn of Holmes, both registered in Howden District.  I cannot see Ann at this moment.  A possible for Martha, registered December quarter 1837 in the Doncaster District - no mother's maiden name given.

OK, so you're now looking for William Holmes, born 1844 in the Howden area.

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Re: Holmes of Yorkshire?
« Reply #19 on: Monday 27 March 17 16:54 BST (UK) »
Quote from: BumbleB on Monday 27 March 17 16:49 BST (UK)
I've had a look at the 1851 census return where Martha (14 - born Hooton Pagnell), William (7 - born Howden), Solomon (5 - born Howden) and Ann (3 - born Howden) are all in the Union Workhouse in Howden.

From the new GRO facility, I have found William with mmn of Holmes and Solomon with mmn of Holmes, both registered in Howden District.  I cannot see Ann at this moment.  A possible for Martha, registered December quarter 1837 in the Doncaster District - no mother's maiden name given.

OK, so you're now looking for William Holmes, born 1844 in the Howden area.

Yea that's the original census that I connected all of them together. I've looked into Ann, she died at four. Solomon moved to America. Martha married William Morcombe. I'm looking into William, when I saw Lucy Holmes living with Martha, I thought she might have been his daughter and something might have happened to him.

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Re: Holmes of Yorkshire?
« Reply #20 on: Monday 27 March 17 17:00 BST (UK) »
Fine, I'll keep looking.

A bit more information for you, which you may or may not have:

1841 Census - Hooton Pagnell, Yorkshire - HO107/1327/12 folio 9, page 12

Mary Holmes - 60 - born in Yorkshire
Martha Holmes - 3 - born in Yorkshire

So this could be Martha's grandmother - no relationships are shown in 1841.

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Re: Holmes of Yorkshire?
« Reply #21 on: Monday 27 March 17 17:12 BST (UK) »
Quote from: BumbleB on Monday 27 March 17 17:00 BST (UK)
Fine, I'll keep looking.

A bit more information for you, which you may or may not have:

1841 Census - Hooton Pagnell, Yorkshire - HO107/1327/12 folio 9, page 12

Mary Holmes - 60 - born in Yorkshire
Martha Holmes - 3 - born in Yorkshire

So this could be Martha's grandmother - no relationships are shown in 1841.
I have seen that, but I didn't notice the no relationships in the 1841 census. So it's likely that she died between those dates.

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Re: Holmes of Yorkshire?
« Reply #22 on: Monday 27 March 17 17:15 BST (UK) »
Baptism at Hooton Pagnell - 5 November 1837

Martha, daughter of Rachael Holmes, single woman of Hooton Pagnell
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Re: Holmes of Yorkshire?
« Reply #23 on: Monday 27 March 17 17:17 BST (UK) »
Baptism at Hooton Pagnell - 24 October 1814

Rachel, daughter of William (Labourer) and Mary Holmes of Hooton, born 15 October.

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Re: Holmes of Yorkshire?
« Reply #24 on: Monday 27 March 17 17:49 BST (UK) »
Could this be William:

Marriage at Howden - 12 August 1869 - by Licence
William Holmes - full age - bachelor - Post Messenger of Howden.  Father: George, Road Surveyor
Hannah Burgen, nee Cuttill - full age - single woman of Howden.  Father:  Samuel, Retired Labourer
Witnesses:  Robert Hall and Marina Winter

1891 Census:  RG12/3918 folio 107, page 40
William Holmes - 47 - Fisherman's Outfitter - born Howden
Hannah - 64 - born Howden Dyke
M E Hall - 24 - niece - born Howden Dyke

So William appears to give the same father as Martha with a similar occupation  ;)
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Re: Holmes of Yorkshire?
« Reply #25 on: Monday 27 March 17 18:10 BST (UK) »
Hey!!!!  ;)

Marriage - Howden - 25 November 1843 - by Banns
George Holmes, full age, widower, Labourer.  Father:  ------
Rachel Holmes, full age, spinster.  Father:  William, Labourer

So:  Martha was Rachel's child before marriage.  William, Solomon and probably Ann, after marriage.

 :D :D
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Re: Holmes of Yorkshire?
« Reply #26 on: Monday 27 March 17 20:20 BST (UK) »
Quote from: BumbleB on Monday 27 March 17 18:10 BST (UK)
Hey!!!!  ;)

Marriage - Howden - 25 November 1843 - by Banns
George Holmes, full age, widower, Labourer.  Father:  ------
Rachel Holmes, full age, spinster.  Father:  William, Labourer

So:  Martha was Rachel's child before marriage.  William, Solomon and probably Ann, after marriage.

 :D :D
Now that is really awesome! :D
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