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Re: Holmes of Yorkshire?
« Reply #9 on: Monday 27 March 17 08:17 BST (UK) »
Robert and Sarah have a Lucy Holmes with them in 1871-  Wallace Street Bramley Yorkshire

Robert Holmes   44 Sarah Holmes   43
Sarah M Holmes   16 William R Holmes   15
Elizabeth C Holmes 12 Lucy Holmes 6
Alice Holmes   3

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Re: Holmes of Yorkshire?
« Reply #10 on: Monday 27 March 17 08:27 BST (UK) »
^ thanks for looking! I think I'll end up buying it to see if it's William or Martha though.

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Re: Holmes of Yorkshire?
« Reply #11 on: Monday 27 March 17 08:33 BST (UK) »
Is this the family you were looking at in 1871?

RG10/4717 folio 82, page 14
Orchard Street, Doncaster
William Morcombe - 30 - born Devonshire
Martha - 29 - born Doncaster
Lucy Holmes - 8 - (mmn Reynolds)  see my later post
John Morcombe - 7 - (mmn Holmes)
Charles Morcombe - 5 - (mmn Holmes)

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Re: Holmes of Yorkshire?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 27 March 17 08:42 BST (UK) »
Quote from: BumbleB on Monday 27 March 17 08:33 BST (UK)
Is this the family you were looking at in 1871?

RG10/4717 folio 82, page 14
Orchard Street, Doncaster
William Morcombe - 30 - born Devonshire
Martha - 29 - born Doncaster
Lucy Holmes - 8 - (mmn Reynolds)
John Morcombe - 7 - (mmn Holmes)
Charles Morcombe - 5 - (mmn Holmes)
Yep that's the one, I didn't see the version with the Reynolds afterward. I'm on mobile and some of it hard to use (first time with it, sorry!).

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Re: Holmes of Yorkshire?
« Reply #13 on: Monday 27 March 17 08:50 BST (UK) »
The addition of mmn was from my looking at GRO - that doesn't appear on the actual census entry.  :-[

15 June 1863 - Christ Church, Doncaster - by Banns
William Sivel Morcombe, 22, bachelor, Engine Fitter.  Father:  William, Shoemaker
Martha Holmes, 23, spinster.  Father:  George, Surveyor

The marriage also took place prior to Lucy's birth in 1864, which I think would rule out Martha being Lucy's mother, apart from Lucy's mother's maiden name was Reynolds.
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Re: Holmes of Yorkshire?
« Reply #14 on: Monday 27 March 17 09:07 BST (UK) »
I've just had another look at that 1871 census entry - Lucy is aged 8 so cannot be the Lucy registered in 1864  :o

There is another Lucy Holmes, registered in Doncaster district - December quarter 1861 - no mother's maiden name given.  ;)
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Re: Holmes of Yorkshire?
« Reply #15 on: Monday 27 March 17 15:53 BST (UK) »
Quote from: BumbleB on Monday 27 March 17 08:50 BST (UK)
The addition of mmn was from my looking at GRO - that doesn't appear on the actual census entry.  :-[

15 June 1863 - Christ Church, Doncaster - by Banns
William Sivel Morcombe, 22, bachelor, Engine Fitter.  Father:  William, Shoemaker
Martha Holmes, 23, spinster.  Father:  George, Surveyor

The marriage also took place prior to Lucy's birth in 1864, which I think would rule out Martha being Lucy's mother, apart from Lucy's mother's maiden name was Reynolds.

So is it likely to be William's daughter and something just happened to him not too long after her birth. I'll check free reg to see if that generates any results for maybe a death not too long afterward or maybe a marriage around that time. Or see if there are any other family living in the area.

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« Reply #16 on: Monday 27 March 17 16:19 BST (UK) »
I'm confused by your latest post - "something just happened to him not too long after her birth" - do you mean William Morcombe?   Whose death are you looking for?

Lucy is noted as having the surname of Holmes on the 1871 census, not Morcombe.  She might be William's daughter, or she might not.

You know that William Morcombe and Martha Holmes were married in 1863, and you know that John and Charles Morcombe have mother's maiden name of Holmes when their births were registered - after the marriage.

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Re: Holmes of Yorkshire?
« Reply #17 on: Monday 27 March 17 16:30 BST (UK) »
Quote from: BumbleB on Monday 27 March 17 16:19 BST (UK)
I'm confused by your latest post - "something just happened to him not too long after her birth" - do you mean William Morcombe?   Whose death are you looking for?

Lucy is noted as having the surname of Holmes on the 1871 census, not Morcombe.  She might be William's daughter, or she might not.

You know that William Morcombe and Martha Holmes were married in 1863, and you know that John and Charles Morcombe have mother's maiden name of Holmes when their births were registered - after the marriage.

William Holmes, sorry! I'm still not used to looking into English records I guess. Hmm, kind of messy in that regard. Maybe Lucy might be Martha's daughter then.

Not sure what would have happened to William Holmes, Martha's brother then.
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