1936 birth location in Liverpool

[Blue70]

I've had a look at one of my certificates there won't be a date of adoption on that birth certificate. The date of adoption will be on the GRO Adoption Certificate.


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[tucson mike]

How long after birth was the child adopted?

Yes, the adoption part is a separate puzzle. I just received a copy of the birth cert I ordered from the GRO. "Adopted" is in the same handwriting as the rest of the information. The child was born on the 8th and the birth registered on the 22nd of August 1936. So the adoption seems to have been arranged before the birth was recorded. Since the father's name is not given, perhaps Walton Hospital arranged the adoption. 

[tucson mike]

The bigger picture here is that I have a DNA match with a woman living in greater Liverpool. We believe her grandfather was my uncle James. He married a Sarah Stokes but had mental problems already when they married, and was eventually put away. I was hoping this birth cert would list Sarah, not Alice, as the mother. Given the oddity of omitting the name of the hospital, though, I'm wondering how accurate the rest of the cert is!

I will look for adoption records and other birth records next. The RootsChat community is great. Thanks for your help!

[tucson mike]

There was a workhouse on Rice Lane,,,it then became known as WAlton institute,,,then Walton hospital. Interestingly.....in 1904 the registrar general decided that if you were born in the workhouse,,,you no longer had to put this on the birth certificate,,,and you could instead put an ordinary street address,,or an invented one. Many workhouses used just one address for this purpose....so instead of saying on your birth certificate you were born in the workhouse,,,it would give the address. West Derby which covers the area you are interested in used this address on Workhouse birth certificates....107a Rice Lane. I think the workhouse had ceased to exist by 1936.. But maybe he was born in the institute or hospital...and they used a simalar address,,,just a thought.

Yes, that's helpful. The practice probably continued after the reason for it disappeared.

[tucson mike]

quite a strange situation - Scourfield St is the area close to Edge Hill station - a mile away from Sefton General Hospital - where both my sons were born - I am in Garston 4 miles from Scourfield st - so why would a lady go to Walton Neurological Hospital to give birth ??..about 8 miles away from Scourfield st - the only reason I can think of is that maybe Alice had an accident and suffered a head injury and that was why she was in Walton ??...do you know when Alice Stokes died ??

Alice appears to have been an unwed mother who wanted to have her child adopted. It's sounding like Walton, rather than Sefton, might have been the place for that in 1936.

[Blue70]

The "adopted" note will have been added after the birth was registered. My Dad had a brother who was adopted out of the family. His birth was registered in January. We knew his adoption name so ordered his adoption certificate. He was adopted in August of the same year so the note saying adopted on the original birth registration entry was added 7 months later.


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[Blue70]

The bigger picture here is that I have a DNA match with a woman living in greater Liverpool. We believe her grandfather was my uncle James. He married a Sarah Stokes but had mental problems already when they married, and was eventually put away. I was hoping this birth cert would list Sarah, not Alice, as the mother. Given the oddity of omitting the name of the hospital, though, I'm wondering how accurate the rest of the cert is!

I will look for adoption records and other birth records next. The RootsChat community is great. Thanks for your help!

James Fogarty and Sarah Stokes married in 1936 didn't they? I can't see any Fogarty children with mother's surname as Stokes in the birth indexes on Free BMD so that must be the reason you were looking at the illegitimate birth in 1936. That birth was in quarter 3 (Jul/Aug/Sep) of 1936 so was after the marriage which was in quarter 1 (Jan/Feb/Mar) of 1936. If the child was theirs the child would have been a Fogarty with mother as Sarah Stokes. Have you looked at the Stokes/Stokes birth in Q2 1934 in West Derby? West Derby registration district covered part of Liverpool. I haven't named the child as she may still be living.   


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