Lissuman - Robert and Margaret Smith & Mary b 1884

[aghadowey]

1911 census says married 3 years so probably c1907/1908.

Daughter Sarah Jane born 1909 'Lisumon', father James Kidd, mother Margaret Smith-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01617/1648424.pdf

Daughter Elizabeth born 1911 Dromantine-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01543/1624931.pdf

Son James born 1912 Poyntz Pass-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01476/1601414.pdf

James Kidd & Maggie Smyth married 1908- her father James Smyth not Robert-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1908/10071/5663260.pdf

Possibly 'Maggie Smyth' in 1901 with widowed mother Sarah, etc.-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Poyntzpass/Lissumon/1037393

more to come...

[aghadowey]

Birth of Margaret Smith 1884- parents James Smith & Sarah Jane Wilson-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02673/1985084.pdf

now off to get location of house...

[MissM]

Wow....!  They are my Auntie Sadie and Auntie Lily's birth records! Uncle James died as a baby so we never knew him.

Thank you so much!

[MissM]

Funny about my Grandad's name.  I searched for him as James as I'd always known him as that.  Eventually after no luck, someone said 'you know his first name was William, right...?'  Same with Grandma.  Always told she was Mary... until it was casually mentioned she was christened Mary Margaret..

:O

Just checked Grandad (William) James and he was born in 1887.  He died in 1974 when I was 14. So that record is not his.

[aghadowey]

Administration (with the Will) of the Estate of James Smyth late of Lissummon County Armagh Farmer who died 12 March 1898 granted at Armagh to Samuel J. Smyth Farmer. Will mentions wife Sarah (nee Wilson), son Samuel John Smyth, son Robert James, daughter Elizabeth Jane Shields, daughter Hannah Maria Hamilton and 'two youngest children' (not named).

Death for James Smith (above) gives as age 75-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1898/05843/4655455.pdf

www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Poyntz_Pass/Lissummon/307718

Valuation Revision Books show property #5 changed from Sarah J. Smith to Samuel Smith in 1918. James Smith listed same place in Griffith's Valuation

Using Griffith's Valuation, townland map and Google Streetview- this looks like the property on left side of lane Smith house- you should be able to zoom in on it a bit and switch to satellite view

[aghadowey]

Funny about my Grandad's name.  I searched for him as James as I'd always known him as that.  Eventually after no luck, someone said 'you know his first name was William, right...?'  Same with Grandma.  Always told she was Mary... until it was casually mentioned she was christened Mary Margaret..

:O

Just checked Grandad (William) James and he was born in 1887.  He died in 1974 when I was 14. So that record is not his.

What record isn't your grandfather?

[aghadowey]

William James Kidd & parents in 1901-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Donaghmore/Tullymurry/1244849

Elizabeth Kidd & a son John in 1911-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Donaghmore/Tullymurry/253686

July 1911 (just after census) a Robert Smith of Lissummon (son of James) married an Agnes Kidd- possibly Margaret Smith's brother-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1911/09956/5619835.pdf

[MissM]

Re:  Just checked Grandad (William) James and he was born in 1887.  He died in 1974 when I was 14. So that record is not his.

Just ignore me aghadowey...  I was blown away by the other findings... and my other half came home and was talking in my ear..... and I got my James mixed up!

THANK YOU SO MUCH!   That certainly does look like the cottage they lived in!  I've spent days 'driving' around N Ireland looking for it on Google Earth!  It certainly is a beautiful country and I've enjoyed the journey but I was getting disheartened.

I can't thank you enough for helping me find their home and for the extra information you've found a long the way.

Lynne

[aghadowey]

We got there in the end 

Not sure why you had Margaret's parents as Robert & Margaret- could they be the names of her grandparents?