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Re: Another conundrum! The name on the back of this photograph??
« Reply #36 on: Thursday 23 March 17 13:52 GMT (UK) »
For what it is worth, the photographer William Samuel Atwood appears to have operated from the 113 Pentonville Rd address 1870-1879, so was based there at the relevant time.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Another conundrum! The name on the back of this photograph??
« Reply #37 on: Thursday 23 March 17 14:34 GMT (UK) »
The 'B' in Born doesn't look very typically English to me, but I can't think what it would be other than a B.

As mentioned above, I wondered if the character following the 'o' in the forename was a 'tt' rather than a 'b', because a cursive 'b' as usually seen in England has the loop written in an anti-clockwise direction, with a link to the next letter from the top of the loop. There's a slight crossing at the bottom of the loop here where the link to the next letter is made (hence my suggestion of 'tt'), but there's something similar in the 'B' of Born.

So maybe it could be a 'b' in the forename, but the writer might not have been English/British? In fact the 'B' of Born almost looks like a 'G', which made me wonder if the writer was, say, German, and started to write Geboren (= born) but then changed it.

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Re: Another conundrum! The name on the back of this photograph??
« Reply #38 on: Thursday 23 March 17 15:00 GMT (UK) »
Following on from your suggestions arthurk it does look like a 'tt'
What about Lottie - Charlotte - which I think has been suggested
Luce, Tippett , Thomson, Dolling ~ Devon & Cornwall
Mocquard ~ London, France
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Re: Another conundrum! The name on the back of this photograph??
« Reply #39 on: Thursday 23 March 17 15:28 GMT (UK) »
Following on from your suggestions arthurk it does look like a 'tt'
What about Lottie - Charlotte - which I think has been suggested

Yes, that was me, and I still think it looks like Lottie. But the same little crossing in the 'B' means I'm not 100% certain.


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Re: Another conundrum! The name on the back of this photograph??
« Reply #40 on: Thursday 23 March 17 15:46 GMT (UK) »
Yes I was puzzled about the 'B' - perhaps then someone writing to an English speaking person rather than by.
I can see Lottie now as a possibility but it's very difficult.
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Re: Another conundrum! The name on the back of this photograph??
« Reply #41 on: Thursday 23 March 17 16:19 GMT (UK) »
Maybe it's not a B but a continuation of the child's name

In loving memory of

 ??  ??

HORN  26 Jan 1871
  Died 10 March 1875
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Re: Another conundrum! The name on the back of this photograph??
« Reply #42 on: Thursday 23 March 17 17:09 GMT (UK) »
I have no doubt that the word immediately before the dates is 'Born'.

That H-like shape appears on an 1873 marriage certificate I have, where it looks the groom was a 'Hachelor' and the marriage was in 'Herkshire'.  I've also seen PRs for that parish (not available online) and the clergyman wrote his 'B' that way every time.

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Re: Another conundrum! The name on the back of this photograph??
« Reply #43 on: Thursday 23 March 17 17:11 GMT (UK) »
I have no doubt that the word immediately before the dates is 'Born'.



Without doubt.

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Re: Another conundrum! The name on the back of this photograph??
« Reply #44 on: Thursday 23 March 17 21:43 GMT (UK) »
I keep coming back to this as it is very puzzling.

I think there are a few discernable letters-:
?o?ie   Mi??

Given that the B of born, which I agree is definitely a B, is formed unusually, I am wondering if what looks like a T for the first name might be something completely different? But what? :-\

Carol A3 - in the documentation you have seen with this style of writing, can you see a letter which looks like this "T"? (and is it a "T" in your documents?)

Like many others, I have looked on freebmd for births and deaths, also on Ancestry burial and baptismal records, but found nothing that looks likely. I also checked the 1871 census as the child should be there, but either found too many matches or no matches using wild cards. Maybe someone else might spot the name on the 1871 census?

Others have suggested that the writing looks "foreign" - as no records have been found using the regular channels, it crossed my mind that the family might be non conformists or perhaps Jewish?  :-\

Even the sex of the child is ambiguous.