Edward Saunders where are you?

[feeline190]

Hello Rootschatters!
I have been working on my Dads side of the tree and I have been trying to find my Granddad's step brother Edward Saunders born c.1884 in Rawtenstall according to the 1901 census but the problem I have is that I can't find any birth record or christening record for him and I cant find him on any other censuses other than 1901 either.
His mother was Elizabeth Saunders nee Grady and I believe that she married Edward's father in 1876 in Bolton. I can not find a death for Edwards father either. Edwards mother married my great granddad(owen fee) in 1889 in Blackburn. I found a death for Edward which I believe is him in Blackburn in 1958 and I have also found a marriage in Blackburn in 1938 which states that his father was John Edward Saunders (deceased) and it states the Edward was a widower a the time of the marriage and he was a coal miner. please can someone help me as I am obviously missing something but can't figure out what!
Eternally grateful!
Feeline190

[keyboard86]

Hi so that we can get some idea of the Fee family, this is 1901 census:-

Owen Fee 40 occ Hawker Oilcloth b Chorley
Elizabeth 40 occ Hawker Oilcloth b Haslingden
Edward Saunders 17 Step son occ Lab in Brewery b Rawtenstall
Margt Grady 12 Step daughter b Blackburn
Catherine Fee 10 b Blackburn, plus other Fee children 1894-1899
Residng at 3, Gray Square, Blackburn
Census Ref RG13/3907/139/15

Owen Fee married ( on same page) Elizabeth Saunders Sept qtr 1889 Blackburn 8c 777

So how is Margaret Grady younger than Edward Saunders or am I missing something?
Keyboard86

[feeline190]

Hi,
That's the right family, Margaret Grady is another person I cant find a birth or a christening record for either all I can gather is she is my great granddads daughter but she may have been born before they married and to stop people think she was from the other marriage they called her Grady?
It's all very complicated really.
Feeline190

[heywood]

IT took me a while to find 1901 and I have been searching for 1891 with no success yet.
Do you have the family in 1891 feeline190?

Here is 1881 3846/45/14

John Saunders   27 yrs Hawker  b Huddersfield
Elizabeth Saunders 22 yrs b Haslingden
Bridget Saunders 5 yrs b Middleton
John Saunders 9 months b Rawtenstall

I wonder if Edward is John but the age is wrong too.

[sgf28]

National School Admissions:

Mayson Street Day Industrial School, Blackburn
Date of committal: October 26th 1894 Date of admission: October 29th 1894
Term of detention: 3 years

Edward Saunders age 11, date of birth 24th May 1884
Roman Catholic
Character: neglected

Name of step father: Owen Fee, character indifferent
Name of mother: Elizabeth, character neglectful
Address: 105 Chapel Street
Occupation: hawker

[sgf28]

He joined the Army in 1903:

Edward Saunders
Birth year:1885
Birth parish:St Anns
Birth town:    Blackburn

Attestation date:30 Apr 1903
Attestation age:18 years and 11 months

Service number:2560
Attestation corps: 3rd East Lanc Regt

Discharged 25th May 1903 by purchase of  payment of £1.

[heywood]

Found them in 1891 but still no Edward and the family are listed as Hart

1891 3404/58/35

Owen Hart   28 yrs
Elizabeth Hart   30 yrs
Margaret Hart   3 yrs
Catherine Hart   3 months
John Grady 50 yrs
Bridget Grady 47 yrs

[feeline190]

In 1891 they are under hart and live at 11 dale street Blackburn. Edward is not with them.
I also thought the 1881 census is them and that the John was Edward but i have found a baptism record for Bridget in bury and another in Accrington for a James William. there is a comment that they are tramps.
SGF28 please could you advise me where you found that record? it's definitely them.
Feeline190

[Maiden Stone]

Keyboard, that's what's puzzling me.
This is what I got from Lancs BMD:
Births:
1890 Mary Winifred Garrity mmn. Saunders, Accrington sub-division         (?)
1893 Hugh Fee mmn Saunders, Blackburn
1896 Owen Fee mmn. Saunders, Blackburn
Marriage:
1889 Owen Fee married Elizabeth Saunders, Blackburn registry office or registrar attended.
(No indication on index that Elizabeth had another surname)
1873 John Saunders married Elizabeth Grady, Bolton St. George
1876 Mary Sanders married Edward Garrity, Hyndburn reg. office or registrar attended.

So was Saunders Elizabeth's maiden name or her married name? How many husbands did she have, 1, 2, or 3?
Father's name on Edward's marriage certificate may not have been real, or accurate.

Feeline, have you seen the marriage cert. of Elizabeth & Owen?

I don't see Edward on another census either.
I see there have been other replies while I've been searching.
Edit. Sorry, I read Marg't as Mary and Noah as Norah. Also Fee looked like Lee on  census .