marriage in two churches

[rich73]

hi
im a bit confused regarding a relatives marriage they have two dates at diffrent churches
one at St Werburgh church 01/09/1861 and one at Christ Church 28/07/1861
their names are William Brooks b1840 father Charles Brooks
                        Maria Smith b1842 father Samuel Smith

         rich
 

[Maiden Stone]

Are you sure they were both marriages? Where did you get the information? Could the earlier one have been Banns?
Are they definitely the same couple, same addresses and occupations?
Were the 2 churches the same Christian denomination?
Maybe it was found after the 1st marriage that it wasn't valid for some reason and had to be done again.

[barryd]

Initially I thought that it may be a case of marriage Banns being mistaken for the actual marriage. Marriage Banns would be published in two separate churches unless the Bride and Groom were both resident in the same parish. I may be right or mistaken on this one. I once answered a similar question some years ago when the marriage was in a parish but no trace of the couple could be found. I found the answer in the Book of Banns and the couple were in the Banns Book but never married. One or both of them must have got cold feet and changed their mind.

Check Free BMD for a civil reporting of the marriage if it happened.

[trish1120]

The entries are on F/S and Anc but no images to compare entries, signatures etc.
As they occurred July and Sept then either would be reg Sept qtr;

•January, February, March registrations in the March quarter
•April, May, June registrations in the June quarter
•July, August, September registrations in the September quarter
•October, November, December registrations in the December quarter

Only way to be sure when they married is to get the Cert.

Trish

As you probably know 1861 Maria Smith born 1842 Manchester, is lodging in the Parish of St Werburgh, Derby, Derbyshire.
Address 15 Haarlem St
This matches the 1 Sept 1861 entry

[mirl]

Possible BMD reference Sep 1861 Derby Vol 7b p519

William Brooks / Maria Smith and two others

[rich73]

Thanks guys some stuff to check over
Will definitely send for the cert
I did think banns but check a few sources no extra info
Rich

[Maiden Stone]

If a church wasn't C. of E. and hadn't obtained a licence to perform marriages a registrar had to attend marriages for them to be valid. One possibility is that the 1st church wasn't C. of E. and for some reason there was no registrar in attendance. In that case the couple would have had a later, legal ceremony. A late 20thC instance was reported in newspapers.
I know a person who had 2 marriage ceremonies because the registrar was unable to attend the church on the day planned for the wedding. To circumvent the problem and allow the wedding to take place in church,
the registrar attended a wedding rehearsal on the previous day. Bride, groom and priest went through the vital parts of the marriage service, bride , groom and witnesses signed register. Wedding party returned to church next day for another wedding ceremony with Nuptial Mass in front of guests.  In this case I presume they signed the church register once, only appearing to do so on the 2nd occasion to pose for a photo.

[rich73]

If a church wasn't C. of E. and hadn't obtained a licence to perform marriages a registrar had to attend marriages for them to be valid. One possibility is that the 1st church wasn't C. of E. and for some reason there was no registrar in attendance. In that case the couple would have had a later, legal ceremony. A late 20thC instance was reported in newspapers.
I know a person who had 2 marriage ceremonies because the registrar was unable to attend the church on the day planned for the wedding. To circumvent the problem and allow the wedding to take place in church,
the registrar attended a wedding rehearsal on the previous day. Bride, groom and priest went through the vital parts of the marriage service, bride , groom and witnesses signed register. Wedding party returned to church next day for another wedding ceremony with Nuptial Mass in front of guests.  In this case I presume they signed the church register once, only appearing to do so on the 2nd occasion to pose for a photo.

Thanks that makes a lot of sense   

[johnxyz]

There may be a simpler explanation - data error. Looking at FS, the St Werburgh entry is from early indexing with a batch number starting with M. Those have over the years proved pretty reliable. The Christ Church entry appears to be more recent. I am afraid that I have found that these later sets of indexes do sometimes contain errors, for example they are listed as the wrong parish, or Banns are indexed as marriages.  I'd check that Christ Church entry.