Help finding William Allam?

[lexthecat]

Would some kind person be able to take a look for William Allam - appears on census 1901 as 5 years old living with James Arthur and Alice Elizabeth Allam in Charlton London - by 1911 census he is no longer there, details from the census note that 2 children died.  I can find the death of his younger brother Alfred Hoyden but no mention of William.  In fact, I don't seem to be able to find his birth either, although he could be under his mothers maiden name of Dunkin as they were not married until 1897.  I have looked under all the possible names and places but finding nothing.  Any suggestions most welcome.
Thanks all
Lex

[AMBLY]

Hi Lex,

What are the ages of the children who are alive at the time and on the 1911 Census? How many children are stated on the 1911 as being born to the marriage?  Rootschat rules say we can't look this data up and post about it,  but if you already have that information, you can post it up to tell us about it!

On the 1911 Census, the question is about children -  born, living and dead - to the marriage.  If William was not James' natural son, technically he shouldn't be included in the list of children born (living or dead), of the marriage. (Of course this rule  was not always correctly followed by the households filling in the Census paper - however:

I can see the following children:
BIRTHS:
James Arthur 1898, Camberwell )
Alfred Hoyden 1902 Woolwich
Alice Colinda 1904 Woolwich
Constance Phyllis 1906 Woolwich
Gladys Caroline 1908 Woolwich
Hilda M 1911 , mms DUNKIN (registered Dec Qtr Woolwich - probably born after Census?)

And deaths before 1911:
Alfred Hoyde_ age 2, registered Woolwich, Jun Qtr 1904
Edward Ernest age 1, registered Woolwich,  Dec Qtr 1910

That looks like the two deaths?

Which still leaves William unaccounted for between 1901 & 1911.

Cheers
AMBLY

[ciderdrinker]

Hi
His school record gives him entering 16.3.1903 son of James 22 Regal St born  7.3.1896 to Frankham St School.Previous school Fosdyke Road? Chorlton

There's no siblings I can see on there.

Ciderdrinker

[lexthecat]

Hi Ambly.

On the 1911 census the following children are listed
James Arthur   aged 12
Alice Elizabeth  aged 7
Constance Phyllis  aged 5
Gladys Caroline  aged 3

It states number of children born - 6
number living - 4

Alfred Hoyden died in 1904 aged 2.  I was assuming that the other death was for William, but now there is Edward Ernest born 1909 sadly died 1910.  I am curious to know how this is James and Alice's son as I can find no tie to them - please can you tell me?

Thank you so much for the help.

Kind regards
Lex

[lexthecat]

Hi Ciderdrinker
Many thanks for the info regarding William, please can you direct me to the site you used for the school info.  I have tried to trace Regal Street but nothing springs out, I can find the school in Frankham Street though.  It seems so strange that I can find no birth registered for William.  Was it fairly common for parents not to register their children then?

Hope to hear
Lex

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Alfred Hoyden died in 1904 aged 2.  I was assuming that the other death was for William, but now there is Edward Ernest born 1909 sadly died 1910.  I am curious to know how this is James and Alice's son as I can find no tie to them - please can you tell me?

The GRO search system includes mother's maiden name (mmn). This is Edward Ernest's birth registration, which clearly links him to the others, who have the same mmn

ALLAM, EDWARD  ERNEST
Mother's Maiden Surname:      DUNKIN
q3 1909 WOOLWICH  Volume 01D  Page 1162

[lexthecat]

Ah, now I understand, I haven't used the GRO, I'll have a go!

Many thanks
Lex

[Bookbox]

His school record gives him entering 16.3.1903 son of James 22 Regal St born  7.3.1896 to Frankham St School.Previous school Fosdyke Road? Chorlton

I would read that as Regent Street, and the previous school as Fossdene Road, Charlton.

[ciderdrinker]

Hi
The site was Ancestry.
It's quite late for children not to be registered.I'd have thought the only thing could be a mispelling of Dunkin or perhaps the local office didn't add it to the National index.
It's surprising how little use our ancestors had for birth certificates and official paperwork.

Ciderdrinker