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Re: Edward Douglas LANDELLS - his Maori wife Isabella
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 06 May 20 02:26 BST (UK) »
Kia Ora, NiaC2381, and welcome to RootsChat

He appears in this database as 'LANDELLS, Edward Douglas':

NZ Militia, Volunteers and Armed Constabulary of New Zealand 1863-1871
http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/exec/dbtwpub.dll

He was a member of the Loyal Duke of Cambridge Lodge:
https://cambridgemuseum.org.nz/loyal-duke-cambridge/?highlight=landells

Papers Past is an excellent resource for finding people.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/

Can I suggest that you reply twice more to this topic (just a smiley icon is each reply will be ok), as this will activate your Personal Message facility allowing you to send private messages to other members.

I hope Westernwombat responds to you soon.

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Re: Edward Douglas LANDELLS - his Maori wife Isabella
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 06 May 20 04:40 BST (UK) »
Correction for a link given by spades -

New Zealand Militia, Volunteers and Armed Constabulary 1863 to 1871
https://kintalkfamilyhistory.blogspot.com/2012/11/new-zealand-militia-volunteers-and.html

I haven't yet located Edward Douglas LANDELLS, but the site looks very useful.
[EDIT]
The article linked to above, mentioned the new merged database.
That database is at another location - the following is a search page, for the individuals that you may be looking for -
http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/armedconstab/armedconstabulary.html

I entered just his surname, Landells, and first name, Edward.
The result shows his information (and also, what seems to be his alternate surname, DOUGLAS)

There isn't a direct link to that result page (it fails, being the one that spades gave).

Hope this helps

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Re: Edward Douglas LANDELLS - his Maori wife Isabella
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 06 May 20 05:04 BST (UK) »
Edward Douglas LANDELLS served in the NZ Armed Constabulary, Division 4,  commencing on               20 March1868 and ending 8 December 1869.
He served at  Nukumaru; Karaka; Otautu; Ahikereru

However, there is a second search result at the database (NZ Militia, Volunteers and Armed Constabulary of New Zealand 1863-1871), in 1863, for a person named Edward LANDELLS.

Armed Constabulary/Militia      Militia
Name                                    LANDELLS, Edward
Notes                                    desert.
Place of birth                         Dunfries
Tribe/County/Country             Dumfries
Service commenced               2.8.1863

Does the Note: desert. indicate a "deserter"?

I don't know of other NZ residents named Edward Landells at that time.


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Re: Edward Douglas LANDELLS - his Maori wife Isabella
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 06 May 20 05:21 BST (UK) »
Hi Westernwombat,

Yes, it does. Or it might be a different bloke entirely, sorry; the details don't match.

A brief entry here on page 1:
http://lynly.gen.nz/WARDesertersL-Q.pdf

Addendum: Your man received the New Zealand War Medal, and has an entry in Stowers' New Zealand War Medal to Colonials (10th ed.) in the section devoted to Armed Constabulary personnel. p.18.

I can transcribe this for you if you don't have it.

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Re: Edward Douglas LANDELLS - his Maori wife Isabella
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 06 May 20 06:13 BST (UK) »
Hi spades, I have been taking a look at the database and there may be separate periods of service for Edward Douglas Landells - or some other explanation?

I searched, separately, for just the surname LANDELLS, then for just the surname DOUGLAS. 2 results in the first, 15 in the second search, but matching the E.D. Landells it seems that his service dates as 1868-1869 and 1864-1866.

http://lynly.gen.nz/WARDesertersL-Q.pdf
Have now downloaded that PDF - I have several Edward LANDELLS in my genealogy database, but none from Dumfries nor for the date range that would match the deserter's likely age.

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Re: Edward Douglas LANDELLS - his Maori wife Isabella
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 06 May 20 06:25 BST (UK) »
Addendum: Your man received the New Zealand War Medal, and has an entry in Stowers' New Zealand War Medal to Colonials (10th ed.) in the section devoted to Armed Constabulary personnel. p.18.

I can transcribe this for you if you don't have it.

spades, it would be useful to see the entry that you mentioned.

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Re: Edward Douglas LANDELLS - his Maori wife Isabella
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 07 May 20 04:13 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Here's the entry:

Stowers, R. (2010). New Zealand War Medal to Colonials (10th ed.). page 18.
Armed Constabulary.

LANDELLS, Edward Douglas, Constable, 4th Div (24/3/1868 - 8/12/1869); also 3rd Waikato Militia, Waiuku Rifle Volunteers; Wellington and Matamata; Mauku 1863, Nukumaru (Tauranga-ika) 2/2/1869; Karaka 3/2/1869, Otautu 13/3/1869, Ahikereru (Urewera campaign) 5/1869, Kakapa; Born 6/7/1868 Alnwick, Northumberland, England. Gazette 1896: 3026, 3178; AD32/315, ADI: 95/1265; Medal issued in 1896 at the order of the Governor-General (18/9/1896).

The information is grouped thus:
Name, Rank, Where joined unit and period of service, Rank and period of service with other units, Address at time of medal claim, Actions where known to be present, Date and place of birth, Career prior to enlistment, Other achievements, Date of death and place of burial, Ship on which arrived in New Zealand, Year of Gazette notice, AD 36/3 or Medal Register Number, Archives New Zealand file references.

Constable LANDELLS was clearly a very experienced soldier, being involved in three actions in the space of eleven days.

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Re: Edward Douglas LANDELLS - his Maori wife Isabella
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 07 May 20 04:23 BST (UK) »
In Reply#14 you wondered about whether Edward LANDELLS might have had separate periods of military service.

The entry above confirms that he served in two Volunteer corps (3rd Waikato Militia and the Waiuku Rifle Volunteers) and also the Armed Constabulary.

Regarding the deserter entry, I think this most likely refers to a different individual.

You should find this very readable thesis very illuminating, as it discusses the motives and social and economic pressures on soldiers who took their discharge in New Zealand and tried to make a success in civvy life. They really struggled.
Scroll down and click on the free PDF icon.
http://researcharchive.vuw.ac.nz/handle/10063/6740

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