Shipping - can you name this port?

[Skoosh]

Garlieston in Galloway mebbes?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garlieston

Skoosh.

[jcmac]

My inclination is to go with the Garlieston option but HT's find of Wigton as against Wigtown still raises a doubt.
On that basis I now have to consider which port CL&A are likely to be filed in the 1840's.
I can see BT98/139 and BT98/563 relate to Various Ports (1837-1853 and 1835-1844) respectively with 195(Carlisle), 250(Dumfries) and 482(Stranraer) possibles.

Can anyone suggest which of these, or any other, might be a reasonable order in which to procede ?
jcmac.

[seaweed]

It would seem to me that Lloyd's Reg is very slow in updating information.
From the newspaper reports I have digested it appears that. She was originally registered in Liverpool before being sold to owners in Garlieston when Mills became master, from 1838 until the late 1840's when Andrews became master.
According to the London Standard of 19/Oct/1852 a vessel with the name WATERVILLE registered in Liverpool was lost off Cape Horn, bound for the Sandwich Islands. No crew were lost.
I don't know if they are the same vessel but there are no  reports for a vessel with that name after this date.
Andrews sailed with WATERVILLE from Liverpool around the 24/April/ 1852 bound for Oahu.
 Armed with what you have. I cannot see any other way forward other than the route you have proposed. Good luck with your search.

[jcmac]

Seaweed,
Thanks for your observations and I do appreciate your opinion. I will follow up when next at Kew.

I spent some time this afternoon looking at Uruguay and find this ship lost off Cape Verde Islands due to fire then explosion on 19.6.1845. Crew returned to Britain on the Benin (of Liverpool) per newspaper report of 16.7.1845.
My reply #9 has a date 17.11.1845 for the Uruguay entry. Do you have any thoughts on how this date should be interpreted ?
jcmac.

[hanes teulu]

1832 Map of Wigton-
http://maps.nls.uk/view/74491941

[hanes teulu]

If you search BNA under "garlieston" it returns a number of hits, some describing a vessel as " ... of Garlieston". From your records would it be possible to check if, and how, these were registered. I also searched under "garleston" - which then drew in the Yarmouth group - confusing!

Purely out of interest, at this period could a vessel be registered against any location an owner wished or was there a prescribed/restricted list? 

[Skoosh]

Designated ports I should think!

Skoosh.

[jcmac]

HT,
I agree with you on the Wigton option but "just in case" I didn't want to lose the Cumbria option even though it had no obvious waterfront.
I am not clear on registration at this time as the early 19C newspapers note vessels linked to harbours which could only service very basic traffic and these places disappear quickly as shipping became more regulated. I have searched BT111/21 for a specific ship and although "Date of Register" (1853,'60 & '71) and "Port belonging to" had details, I am not sure how accurate earlier pre1850 records would be.
I have noticed many early vessels noted as "Creek of ......" and filed under a nearby Port.
jcmac.
       

[jcmac]

I continued searching a specific period (1/10-27/12/1843) in Brit.Lib.News'r archive under waterville then mills then antwerp with no other graphics in the search box and under antwerp came across this:
Liverpool Mercury 22.12.1843.
20.12.1843 Waterville, Mills, from Antwerp for this port at Stornoway, leaky and with sails split.

HT found an entry for Waltry Isle and I later came across a Water Lily so perhaps entries are being missed.
I rechecked for the period 20/12-23/12 as above and only antwerp produced a return. I then tried the first two followed by a comma and still nothing !!!!   I'm not giving up yet !!!

From 8/10 at Falmouth, to Antwerp, at Stornoway 20/12, at Liverpool 27.12.1843.
No change yet to the possible BT98 ports to search.
jcmac.