Searching for John Docherty Birth!

[scotmum]

but my Elizabeth wasn't born in Ireland.

It can happen that a wife's birthplace is assumed to be same as husband's, even if not, and thereby recorded on census as such.

What records do you have for Elizabeth Docherty/Dougherty (nee Marshall) to know she wasn't Irish?

[ali_wooding]

I have seen both a birth and marriage certificate for Elizabeth Marshall, born to Alexander Marshall in 1864 in Govan, Lanarkshire. I guess it's possible that I've got the wrong Elizabeth Marshall to John Docherty marriage (1882) and from that I've gone wrong?

[dowdstree]

Hi Ali,

You say that your John Docherty was born in Lanark according to the 1911 census. This was taken on the 2nd April.

Can I ask the date of his marriage in Cowdenbeath to Elizabeth Parker? Could you possibly have the wrong census record.

Dorrie

[ali_wooding]

I think I must have even dreamt about all of this last night...

The date of the 1911 marriage was 22nd Dec, and John's address on there and on the census is the same - Natal Place, so I've got that bit right at least!

[dowdstree]

Hi Ali,

I have been doing a bit of searching for you and I feel that the birth/marriage records that you have are indeed not correct if the following are the ones that you have-

Birth record  -  Elizabeth Hamilton Marshall - born 6th March 1864 to Alexander Marshall/Jean Laird.
Marriage record  -  Elizabeth Hamilton Marshall - 22nd December 1882 to John Docherty.

Looking at this marriage/census records they do not appear to have had a son named John.

However, the information given to you by Scotsmum and Monica is a very strong possibility as on your 1911 marriage record for John Docherty/Elizabeth Parker a witness is a JAMES Docherty who could have been his brother.

See the 1891 Census as posted earlier and there is a James too.

This unfortunately takes you back to the drawing board with finding John's Birth Record.

Personally, I never take a place of birth given on a census as 100% correct as I have found out in my own family research.

Dorrie

[ali_wooding]

Thanks Dorrie.

I am now questioning the info that I thought I knew that led me down this path. Shamefully have assumed that info given to me further down the tree is correct.

I am starting from a safe birth of a grandparent named Mary Parker Docherty in 1923. I assumed that her parents were therefore a Docherty and a Parker, and pounced on the only marriage I could find with those 2 surnames, which did also match the info I'd been given. But having not seen Mary Parker Docherty's birth or marriage I see now that it's actually a pretty big leap. Looks like I need to spend some money on the 1923 birth and go from there! Thanks so much again for the input and advice, I'm sure I'll be back!

[sancti]

Who, when and where did Mary Parker Docherty marry?

[dowdstree]

Hi Ali,

Yes, I think that you would be better doing that and working your way back from there.

Birth for Mary Parker Docherty in 1923 Carnock, Fife ( small village about 4 miles west of Dunfermline)

Possible marriage for Mary Parker Docherty to a Robert Gray Skinner in 1947 at Auchterderran, Fife in 1947 (small village not far from Lochgelly).

From Scotlands People Index.

Do you recognise the name of Skinner ?

All from Scotlands People Index.

Both records would need to be ordered because of the 100 year rule for births and 75 year rule for marriages.

Dorrie

[ali_wooding]

Yep, Skinner is my starting point! I figure I'm best off ordering the birth because that will give names and marriage date for Mary's parents, John & Elizabeth or otherwise!