My Newbury/Berkshire family

[Anthony J Mayo]

Hi All,
Must admit am feeling more than a bit confused by all the information which you guys are unearthing. Initially I had a fairly simple story that Mary was born abt 1780 and died in 1861 being buried in St Nicholas Church Newbury. Then came the suggestion that there might well have been two Marys with the first Mary being born 1774 and possibly dying in 1821, she being the'true' Mary Dear and the second actually being Mary Moulding. The problems I have in linking the first Mary with the Oct 1821 burial in Greenham is an age discrepancy of 1 year 1821 -46  makes her dob 1775 whereas Mary Dear was born in April 1774 and then we know from the court account that husband John was a sexton of St Nicholas which makes it unlikely his wife would be buried in a 'foreign' church even if it was only a few miles away. A strong case of Confused.com!!!
Tony

[candrjm]

Hi Tony,

Part of Quote:
The problems I have in linking the first Mary with the Oct 1821 burial in Greenham is an age discrepancy of 1 year 1821 -46  makes her dob 1775 whereas Mary Dear was born in April 1774 and then we know from the court account that husband John was a sexton of St Nicholas which makes it unlikely his wife would be buried in a 'foreign' church even if it was only a few miles away. A strong case of Confused.com!!!

Family history research isn't an exact science, often you will find discrepancies in ages given so one years difference in age at death would not be unusual to see.
We don't actually know when John Totty Mayo became the Sexton at St Nicolas Church Newbury, he was a Cabinet Maker as recorded on Thomas Totty Mayo's baptism in 1823 and although he was recorded at that time in the St Nicolas parish records it's possible that the family may have been living in Greenham in 1821 when Mary died.


Hope this helps
Chris

[Anthony J Mayo]

Chris, I obviously totally agree with your comment re minor discrepancies in ages etc in this type of research. However I remain uncomfortable with the Mary Moulding story which of course if true makes her my great, great, great grandmother and not Mary Dear. There was a strong oral history in my fathers line, elements of which I have been able to establish from totally different sources, to have been true. This dates mainly to early to mid 19th century. I am almost certain of hearing of Mary Dear in these recollections but cannot think why she would have been remembered by our branch of the family if we were not descended from her. I also believed John Totty was a Newbury man all his life, born there, worked there both professionally and for the Church, died and was buried there. Never the less, perhaps I ought to try and find something about Mary Moulding!!!
Thanks so much for all your research.
Tony

[Deb Clark Rennie]

Tony perhaps consider ancestries DNA testing and use their thru lines to check for matches to both Mary’s.  This could perhaps answer your question once and for all.  This is a new program they have introduced recently and has certainly helped confirm a few things for me.

Blessings
Deb

[candrjm]

Hi Tony,


Having had another look at John Totty Mayo's family I've found these two marriages:

Marriage for John Totty Mayo's daughter Jane born 1804:
Place: Greenham Newbury
3rd March 1840
Groom: Spencer Atwood, Full Age, Bachelor of Greenham,  occ: Plumber
Bride: Jane Mayo, Full Age, Spinster, of Greenham
Fathers: William Atwood occ: Timber Merchant and John Mayo occ: Cabinet Maker


Marriage for John Totty Mayo's daughter Mary Anne born 1806:
Place: Parish Chapel St Pancras Camden
Date: 14th June 1846
Groom: Thomas Manser, Full Age, Bachelor,  of Apulston Street occ: Servant
Bride: Mary Ann Mayo, Full Age, Spinster of Apulston Street
Fathers: William Manser occ: Cooper and John Mayo occ: Cabinet Maker


In this 1851 census for Jane her birth place is recorded as Greenham

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGBM-ZRW


This is the two sisters in the 1871 census:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFXJ-5N3

Yesterday I was at the Berkshire records office so took the opportunity to look up the marriage record for John Mayo to Mary Moulding:

Place: St Mary's Church Thatcham (married at this church by Banns)
Date: 9th June 1822
Groom: John Mayo, Widower, of the parish of Greenham
Bride: Mary Moulding, Widow, of the parish of Newbury
Witnesses: Maria Dredge and Thomas ? (looks like Tlatton)
John signed Mary made her mark


With all the connections to Greenham it now looks more likely that John Totty Mayo did marry twice.


Added; (The following info given with caution)

Possibly relating to Mary Moulding (wife of John Mayo)

Place: St Nicolas Church Newbury
Date: 9/7/1813
Child: George Leander Moulding
Parents: George & Mary Moulding
Father's occ: Private in the 15th Dragoons

Burial for this child 22/2/1819 at St Nicolas Newbury


No burials for a George Moulding (the father) in Newbury between 1812-1822  and also no burials for a Mary Moulding that would fit with the mother of George Leander Moulding.

Possible senario (could be completely wrong):
George Moulding was a serving soldier so may have died in conflict. Mary then left as a widow living in Newbury where she possibly knew John and Mary Mayo (perhaps through the church). After Mary died in 1821 John then married Mary Moulding.

There is this family tree on Familysearch that also has a George Leander Moulding (born 1835) and following back through to John Moulding born 1761, he and his wife Hester had a son George born 1781 (could he be George Moulding husband of Mary)

link to tree:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:1:MWWB-QLN


Familysearch has a marriage for a George Moulding to a Mary Needham  1st July 1812 at St Peter Nottingham (fits timewise, perhaps George whilst serving in the army spent some time in Nottingham met Mary then moved her Newbury)


Added:

Just found a George Moulding aged 2 (born 1813)  in the 1815 Toomers census  recorded as grandson living with his grandparents John and Hester Moulding at the George and Dragon Northbrook St Newbury so he must be the son of George born 1781 son of John & Hester Moulding.

Kind regards,
Chris

[Anthony J Mayo]

Thanks for that. Great stuff. Currently on holiday in a remote part of Costa Rica so will have to wait until l get home to really pick this up.
Tony Mayo

[Deb Clark Rennie]

Just wanted add that you are amazing Chris and thank you for helping Tony.

Blessings
Deb

[Anthony J Mayo]

He certainly is. One day would like to meet. I think my cousin Maggie Howe and I owe him a pint or two!!!!!
Tony

[Deb Clark Rennie]

He certainly is. One day would like to meet. I think my cousin Maggie Howe and I owe him a pint or two!!!!!
Tony

You will have to buy Chris one from me too as it could be awhile before I get back.  And I believe Chris is a she :-) easy to not know with the name.

Blessings
Deb