My Newbury/Berkshire family

[Deb Clark Rennie]

So now I think my DNA match family tree is out too as this is the one from this family ... and as our John Totty Mayo marries in 1820 I don't think they had a William in Wantage in 1813.  So I think his tree is also incorrect .... yikes!


Quote from my post above:

Quote from a previous post of yours:

"Thank you :-) according to his tree he has John Totty Mayo 1777 he marries Mary and they have a son William Mayo born 1813 Wantage Berkshire? William marries Mary Butson 1839 and has several children including another John Totty Mayo Berskshire Newbury Berkshire 1839 then Mary, Sarah and William all born in Newbury.  He then descends from William (1844)"

[candrjm]

Sorry Deb, I'm a bit cofused, where did you get our John Totty Mayo marries in 1820 from?

[candrjm]

Have I got this right?

I think your ancestor Mary Mayo born c1752 is the sister of Totty Mayo born c1747 both children of Totty Mayo born c1723 and Sarah Poor who married in 1745 and therefore is the Aunt of John Totty Mayo born c1777

John Totty Mayo c1777 was the son of Totty Mayo c1747 and Amy Mayo (nee North)

I think this is the father of both William Mayo born c1813 Wantage and also Thomas Totty Mayo c1823 in Newbury

I also suspect that both the 1841 and 1851 census for John Mayo c1777 with wife Mary are John Totty Mayo even though the occupations differ.

[Deb Clark Rennie]

I'm so sorry Chris I must  be doing your head in as we say :-) it is so confusing.

I think where I've tripped myself up is that John Totty Mayo b 1777 who married Mary .... I think I've looked at a tree that has their marriage in 1820 but there is nothing to support this so maybe it's a guess so when I see William Mayo from Wantage b 1813 I thought well he can be theirs or he would have been born before they were married.

What I will do tomorrow is type it all in  a tree form along with any baptism dates you've given me and see how it looks and I will make a note of any that we don't have records for baptisim like William from Wantage.

You must be sick of me by now :-). Mine all seem to be neat and tidy other than we are just guessing for Mary Paradise but considering her grandson is Frederick Mayo Wade I think it's a pretty good guess without her baptisim.  The rest I'm just trying to see where they fit to my tree like my DNA match fellow.

But I shall do that tomorrow so we can have a good look.

Blessings
Deb

[Deb Clark Rennie]

Ok here goes this is what we have so far ... so I'm working with 2 other families ... mine is pretty simple with the discovery of Mary Mayo - although no baptisim found at this point but good assumption based in her grandsons name Frederick Mayo Wade.   I've made notes where the other two families descend from.  So I hope this helps makes sense


Thomas Mayo & Katheren Totty (possible start of Berkshire Mayo family)
Married 1693 Wiltshire
Children
Thomas Mayo 1693 - fisherton Anger Wiltshire
Totty Mayo 1695  - Corsley Wiltshire

Thomas Mayo (1693) married Dina Medhurst in Fisherton Anger Wiltshire 1721
Children
Catherine Mayo 1722 - 1722 Salisbury Wiltshire 
Totty Mayo  dec 1723 (listed as female but more likely male)
Elizabeth Mayo  14 Nov 1726 fisherton Anger Wiltshire (no mother listed just Thomas so just assumption at this point)

Totty Mayo 1722 marries Sarah Poor in 1745 Newbury Berkshire
Children
Totty Mayo abt 1749 - 1807 (this was notes for Totty - Also, there was a baptism record for a Totty Mayo in the index of the baptisms but the actual page (no. 7) was missing (pages 1-7 missing)  so I could not see any details for him but feel sure he was another sibling of Mary Mayo's, baptised before John Mayo in 1749.Also, there was a baptism record for a Totty Mayo in the index of the baptisms but the actual page (no. 7) was missing (pages 1-7 missing)  so I could not see any details for him but feel sure he was another sibling of Mary Mayo's, baptised before John Mayo in 1749.)
John Mayo 1749 - 1753
Mary Mayo 1752 - 1808 (my ancestor) who Marries John Paradise
Sarah Mayo 1754 - 1757
Sarah Mayo 1758
Elizabeth Mayo 1760 not sure where we got this one as I can't see a record

Totty Mayo bef 1749 (this is the Mayo related to the other two family trees I'm trying to help) marries Amy North 1772
Children
Ann Mayo April 1775
John Totty Mayo 1777
Sarah Mayo 1778
William Thomas Mayo 1785

John Totty Mayo marries Mary?
Children
Possibly William 1814 Wantage? 
Thomas Totty Mayo 1823

William Mayo 1814 marries Mary Butson 1838 this is from DNA match tree)
Children
 John Totty Mayo 1839 - 1903
Mary Mayo 1840
Sarah Mayo 1842
William Mayo 1844

Thomas Totty Mayo 1823 marries Mary Ann Goodyear in Scotland 1846 (this is Maggies family tree)
Children
Thomas Totty Mayo 1847-1847 - Devon
William Thomas Mayo 1848-1931 Devon
John Totty Mayo 1851-1916 Devon
Ellen Wilmot Mayo 1853 Devon
Charles Henry Mayo 1859-1934 Devon

[candrjm]

Hi Deb,

So, we need to confirm:


Mary Paradise born c1781 was the daughter of John & Mary Paradise (nee Mayo)

William Mayo's (born Wantage c1813) father was John Totty Mayo born c1777.

I had a look at the 1815 census to see if there were any Mayo's living in Newbury and the only ones were:

Abode: Red Lion Yard (West Side of Northbrook Street) Newbury

Amy Mayo aged 75 occ: Bookseller <<<<<<<<(nee North)
William Mayo aged 29     <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Totty and Amy's son William Thomas born1785


No John/John Totty Mayo or family. (maybe because they were living in Wantage)


Did you say that Maggie had Thomas Totty Mayo's (born Newbury 1823) father as Thomas Totty Mayo, is so please could you ask her where this info came from?


Chris

[Deb Clark Rennie]

Interesting! Thanks Chris well I guess that would explain Williams birth not being in Newbury.

And yes that would be great if we could confirm those births. 

I've emailed Maggie she was away for the week end so will get back to me ... I think her info wasn't conclusive ... and I think you are correct in that Thomas Totty Mayo 1823 is son of John Totty Mayo.

What a puzzle it's been thanks so much for helping us put it together.

My sister is visiting her inkaws in Gloucestershire at the moment so I'm very jealous she gets to be over there ... and although she's going to visit a few of the places our ancestors lived she doesn't quite share my love of seeking them all out :-)

Probably just as well I don't live over there I would Spend all day looking them up!

blessings
Deb

[Deb Clark Rennie]

Is Northbrook street a long street? Is the red lion yard another Inn?  Just thought it was interesting that the Grubb family are living in this street  at the same time as Amy Mayo née North and her son William.  I found an 1841 census for an Arthur North publican in Northbrook st Newbury (much younger of course) ...so wondered if Amy's family might have been publicans and after her husband dies lives with them?

Thomas Grubbs son John Marries Mary Paradise daughter of John and Mary Paradise née Mayo .. and their daughter Martha Grubb marries the elusive Joseph Wade.   Also John Grubb is a carpenter... which you said the baptisim of Thomas Totty Mayo son of John Totty Mayo .... son of Totty And Amy Mayo née North was listed as a carpenter? Connection maybe?


So Amy is (if we are correct) Mary's sister in law

EDIT
Census
1815 Toomers cencus • Abode: Northbrook Street Newbury (Wash Side
Thomas Grubb aged 66 (recorded in occ; column, Royal Oak, so possibly an Inn Keeper) Martha Grubb aged 60 Elizabeth Grubb aged 10 Ann Stillman aged 15, Sergeant Miles Mary Miles aged 34 Nicholas Miles aged 9 1 soldier billeted

1815
Abode: Pound Street Newbury (South Side)
John Grubb aged 30       occ: Carpenter
Mary Grubb aged 30
Martha Grubb aged 6
Elizabeth Grubb aged 5
Maria Grubb aged 3
John (Infant)

[newburychap]

Is Northbrook street a long street? Is the red lion yard another Inn? 

Northbrook St is not particularly long - just over 50 houses/shops each side.

Red Lion Yard was the street/yard behind a pub - now called Pembroke Road. There was another pub (the Grapes) in Red Lion Yard, but later, 1840s, by when it had become the Rose & Thistle Yard.