My Newbury/Berkshire family

[Deb Clark Rennie]

Thanks Newbury Chap ... so how far would rhe Royal Oak have been?  I found it interesting that they had a soldier billeted there in 1815. 

Martha Grubb (1808 newbury) my 4 x great grandmother married Joseph Wade who was with the military and so they moved around quite a bit but were in Newbury in 1841 which is how we've managed with help here to work out who Martha is ... but Joseph is a mystery as he died in service and is buried in Ireland I've been told quite often if they die in service their records are destroyed so I have no idea where he's from. 

Blessings
Deb

[newburychap]

It depends how far down the Red Lion yard they were - the Royal Oak was perhaps 50yards north of the Red Lion.

Arthur North was landlord of the Rose & Thistle (1841-1846), this was the Red Lion until the mid 1820s.

Pubs very often had soldiers billeted on them - one Newbury pub even had an outbuilding called The Barracks.  As they didn't know the name of the soldier he was probably only there for one night - when troops were moving around the country they had a right to demand accomodation for the night in any pub.

[candrjm]

Hi Deb,

Quote

"So, we need to confirm:

Mary Paradise born c1781 was the daughter of John & Mary Paradise (nee Mayo)

William Mayo's (born Wantage c1813) father was John Totty Mayo born c1777."


Mariage details for William Mayo born Wantage c1813;

Date: 19th March 1838
Place: St Nicolas Church Newbury
Groom: William Mayo, of Full Age, Bachelor, Occ: Servant, of Newbury
Bride: Mary Butson, of Full Age, Spinster, of Newbury
Groom's Father: John Totty Mayo, occ: Sexton of this parish<<<<<<<<<<
Bride's Father: Amos Butson, occ: Coachman
Witnesses: John Mayo and John Totty Mayo
Both Bride and Groom signed their names

<<<<<<<<<<<<<same occ: as recorded in 1841 census where Thomas Mayo born c1823 is  recorded in the household with John & Mary Mayo (his parents)


So William Mayo born c1813 Wantage and Thomas Totty Mayo born 1823 Newbury were brothers and the children of John Totty and Mary Mayo.


The following are baptisms for children of John & Mary Paradise who married in 1780:

Baptisms from Oct 1783- 1794

30/8/1786 James (born 4/11/1785)

24/6/1787 Elizabeth (born 1/6/1787)

22/3/1789 Dinah (born 13/2/1789)

3/4/1791 John

2/7/1794 Mariah (born 6/6/1794)


I could not find a baptism for Mary Paradise though but it's possible that she could have been born either before Sarah in 1782 or between Sarah 1782 and James born in Nov 1785 and not baptised in St Nicolas, but elsewhere.

Chris

[Deb Clark Rennie]

Wow Chris we shall have to name you Sherlock :-)

Pity about Mary Paradise but there's so much other supporting eveidence to not think she belongs ... including my DNA match to the descendant of William Mayo (the one you just confirmed) plus Mary Paradises granddaughter names her son Frederick Mayo Wade.  So even though at this point no baptisim I still think you are correct.

Also interesting that John and Mary Paradise née Mayo name one of their daighters Dinah which to me suggests Mary Mayo's grandmother was Dinah Mayo née Medhurst from Sailsbury Wiltshire.

So thank you Chris for helping me and the other two families untangle our ancestors ... now I just need to find out who Joseph Wade was!  But I've been told the only other thing to do for him is get paid research at Kew to see if he's on muster rolls although that still probably won't tell me where he was from.

Thank you ever so much!
Blessings
Deb

[Deb Clark Rennie]

Thank you Newbury Chap ... that's very interesting and I shall pass that on to the desandants of Amy Mayo née North as that does suggest Arthur is somehow related to Amy.  They might be able to work that out. It's also interesting too that Amy Norths sister in Law Mary Paradise née Mayo ... her husbands father Thomas Grubb is the one at the Royal Oak in 1815 so perhaps another connection between the two families. 

I also found on an 1861 census record Mary Grubb née Paradise visiting a fellow that there is a bit of a mystery surrounding his last name but he's listed as a Malter ... would it be correct that he might have something to do with Inns or pubs? 

Was their a mikitary base nearby with all the soldiers?  With my ancestors being in Newbury in 1841 Jospeh Wade is listed as a Jailer which he was for the military (population occupation I'm sure) and he's buried in the Arbor Hill Military Cemetry in Dublin.  His son Frederick Mayo Wade was also military and enlisted in Dublin when just 14 and was in South Africa India and China before finishing at the Kingston on Thames military barracks.  But on all of his military records he says he was born in Wokingham near Reading .... so I wondered what was their military wise?  As I'm from Australia I have no idea what's what :-). My great grandmother Daisy Wade bought Frederick's brother Charles notebook to Australia with her which helped us figure out who,they all were.

Blessings
Deb

[newburychap]

A malter or maltster was engaged in the making of malt - the vital ingredient for beer. However, this doesn't necessarily link to the pub trade in Newbury because malting was big business in the town with the malt being sent to London for the breweries there.  That said all the larger breweries in town had their own malthouses.

There was no military establishment near Newbury in 1815 any soldiers would be passing through. From my recollection of the 1815 census there weren't many of them.

[candrjm]

Hi Deb,

Went back to the library today just to double check the baptisms from 1780-1783 for Mary Paradise and EUREKA!  here's your missing link!

Baptism: 6th July 1783 Mary daughter of John & Mary Paradise

For some reason this baptism was not recorded in the index which is why I think I missed it the last time I looked for it. (This time I looked through all of the baptisms individually.)



I also found this baptism for a John Paradice which would fit timewise with your John Paradise who married Mary Mayo in 1780

12th June 1752 John son of Thomas & Mary Paradice



A little more info on the John Totty Mayo line:

Marriage details for John Totty & Mary Mayo's son John (who was the other witness to the marriage of William Mayo and Mary Butson)

Date: 9th April 1839
Place: St Nicolas Church Newbury
Groom: John Mayo, of Full Age, Bachelor, Occ: Whitesmith of Newbury
Bride: Sarah Brown, of Full Age, Spinster, Occ: Servant of Newbury
Groom's Father: John Totty Mayo Occ; Sexton
Bride's Father: Robert Brown Occ: Labourer
Witnesses: John Totty Mayo and Jane or Jone Mayo
Both Bride and Groom signed their names


This looks like them in 1841:

https://tinyurl.com/l7h38pu

and in 1851:

https://tinyurl.com/mtpo85u

and his Baptism:

https://tinyurl.com/kxw8jyv

which records his baptism in Thatcham (approx 4 miles east of Newbury)

so sometime between 1813 and 1816 the family must have moved from Wantage.

In the church records for St Nicolas Newbury there were the following baptisms for children of John & Mary Mayo (can't be sure but think that this is John Totty and Mary Mayo):

Baptism: 15/8/1804 Jane (born 12/6/1804) <<<<possibly Jane Mayo witness of above marriage

Baptism: 3/8/1806 Mary Anne (born 11/1/1806)

Baptism: 23/12/1807 Robert (born 1/10/1807)


Chris

[Deb Clark Rennie]

Well you've made my day!!!   

So now there is no doubt and the missing Mary is found :-)

I wondered who the other John was on that marriage so they had a 3rd son ... wonder where he fitted in with William and Thomas?

I shall message Williams Descendant who is also very grateful for all you've found out ... he was very excited and was about to become a grandfather himself yesterday and was thinking how great it was he would be able to pass all this on to his family and was looking forward to digesting all you've found.

fantastic! Bless you!
Deb

[Deb Clark Rennie]

Oh I see now ... in between now I've looked at his baptisim :-)