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Re: Robert Stevens photographer
« Reply #225 on: Wednesday 08 March 17 05:10 GMT (UK) »
It has become tangled and merry chase indeed.  ::) ::)

The line of thinking I am pursuing goes this way.
It is enormously speculative, but theories have to be explored before they can be discarded. ;D
 
In Jan 1920, Robert Edward SEALE married Marjorie Gertrude WILKINS. His age is 31 (born about 1889)

The groom’s father is listed as Robert Richardson SEALE 
Was the word Richardson a misprint? Because  Reply 183 this thread shows one Robert Edward SEALE (born 1842) was a brother of Walter Earle SEALE and he  had married Sabinan MADARU  in 1878 with Colonel SEALE as witness.

Robert Edward SEALE, the groom marrying WILKINS may or may not have seen service in ww1.

He may or may not have been raised by Walter Earle SEALE and travelled with Colin and tutor around the world.

He knew enough about Walter and Kathleen SEALE to have some details of Walter’s work and Kathleen’s correct maiden name.
 
By 1922 he was using the name Robert  STEVENS in NZ and in 1923 in Gosford NSW where he worked with a possible associate from his homeland, HAYNE for a while. He learnt enough about Gosford to fabricate it as his birthplace.
 
Robert STEVENS moved about Australia until his marriage in 1941 QLD to a young woman, our OP’s mother.

Marjorie Gertrude WILKINS, the bride of the 1920 marriage, was born 1902. Her father died in 1905 and mother remarried twice afterwards, the last marriage being to Harold William MAJOR. The mother, Winifred (nee ALMOND died in 1959)

In 1962, 64,65  there are electoral roll sightings for Marjorie SEALE, with Harold W. MAJOR and another woman in Surrey, UK. We are fairly certain the younger woman was her daughter.
There are shipping passenger sightings for Marjorie and others back and forth between UK and India which give a birthdate for the daughter as 1929.

The younger woman mentioned in sightings, in 2007 wrote to an online  circus forum about her mother , Marjorie SEALE, who had run away to join the circus when young. It is stated “She may have taken on another name because she ran away to join the circus”
 
http://www.circushistory.org/Query/Query05a.htm

Marjorie SEALE died in 1975 and is buried in England.

Overall, the line of thinking is there was a short marriage for Robert STEVENS where his very young wife left for a circus life and, in order to make a new start, Robert changed his name to STEVENS and left for NZ.

In case he had formed a bigamous marriage with OP’s mum, he composed a new life story for himself as cover.

 Sue

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Re: Robert Stevens photographer
« Reply #226 on: Wednesday 08 March 17 06:58 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Sue  :)
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Re: Robert Stevens photographer
« Reply #227 on: Wednesday 08 March 17 07:09 GMT (UK) »
Only one of the possible story lines sad to say. ;D

Betty is waiting on the death certificate from GRO for Marjorie SEALE 1975 to see if there is anything there to help.

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Re: Robert Stevens photographer
« Reply #228 on: Wednesday 08 March 17 11:31 GMT (UK) »
The researcher we met up with in Sydney, has better eyes than mine, though I fear it won't be of much help. It is regarding Robert Edward Seale Senior      - looking at the marriage certificate, (available on FindmyPast) the wife had just a single name: Saburan.  Although not described in any way, she must have been a native girl; she gave her father's name as simply Madure.
I've also sent an email asking Sheila's grandson if he can possibly forward any information on Colin. Tomorrow morning I will further my search as per your tips. Many thanks, Betty


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Re: Robert Stevens photographer
« Reply #229 on: Thursday 09 March 17 00:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi Betty,
Could you check this one out just to eliminate.
Sale, Robert death 1918, British India Office Wills & Probate, Karnal, Bombay
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Re: Robert Stevens photographer
« Reply #230 on: Thursday 09 March 17 01:17 GMT (UK) »
These news items relate to the death of a woman named Kathleen JOHNSTON.
She died in North Sydney and was 32 years of age. It is hinted that the death was "unusual" but an inquest was not held as it appeared to be from natural causes.
It is not clear whether or not she was married.

I cannot see the death on the registration indexes.
Perhaps others will have luck, and I'll keep looking.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/229303533
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14598592
Funeral to Rookwood
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14598645

Sue

Aged 32, have we followed up further on Sue's sightings?

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Re: Robert Stevens photographer
« Reply #231 on: Thursday 09 March 17 01:30 GMT (UK) »
From Sands Directories, it seems to me that Paul Street did NOT go up to no. 29  ::)  I have checked Sands 1900 and 1909 Suburban.   By 1909 on the north side, it went up to # 12 and on the south side up to #13.    In 1900 it went to #14 (north side) and only to #5 (a fuel depot) on the south side.

Perhaps it was named "Paul" after the PAUL family who were listed at 2 Paul St on the 1902 Electoral Roll. 

Anyway, there's NO entry for Kathleen JOHNSTON (or variations) at Milson's Pt polling place in NSW ER 1902 NORTH SYDNEY.  It was not compulsory to enrol, but 1902 was the first to list NSW females.  :)

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Re: Robert Stevens photographer
« Reply #232 on: Thursday 09 March 17 01:49 GMT (UK) »
CoL -
Mrs Isabella Ada Sale was the widow and beneficiary.

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Re: Robert Stevens photographer
« Reply #233 on: Thursday 09 March 17 01:56 GMT (UK) »
A couple of things about myself. I'm fair skinned, Ancestry DNA don't have any links to the sub-continent (all France/UK areas), I'm no singer and have not a flexible bone in my body. Which leads me to wonder if Robert Senior's wife was related, or did that Robert have a dalliance. Which we will never hear about.
I am hoping Sheila's grandson will be able to throw some light on the subject. Based on what he gives us, then we can further the research to confirm or otherwise.  Many thanks, Betty