Emily Ann Martin of Greenwich, where did she go after 1861 census

[katlady]

Hello all,

Hoping for a bit of help trying to track down Emily Ann Martin, born Greenwich circa 1834.
She is the grandmother of Samuel Coleridge-Taylor. She had an illegitimate child with Benjamin Holmans in 1856. This child, Alice Hare Martin was visiting her working in Cantebury St Margaret at time of 1861 census. I can find no further mention of her anywhere. 

[Milliepede]

A family tree has her death in 1887 Croydon.

Is Alice with her father in 1871 age 14?

[katlady]

Hello,

Yes that is Alice her daughter living with father in 1871.
The death recorded in 1887 in Croydon is of Benjamin Holmans wife Sarah Ann Poole. Sarah Ann was married and living with him in 1851 at address that Alice Hare was born at.
Benjamin and Emily Ann never married.
The other mystery I have upon closer inspection is that Emily Ann Martin is showing up on 1841 census at age 7, birth circa 1834.  But church records show her born in 1843 with baptism in 1844.
Hoping this is just a transcription error but cant see an image for original document.

[AMBLY]

Hi KatLady

You're quite right - Emily Ann's 1844 baptism did occur when she was 10 - the image clearly states her birth to be 1834:

Baptism in Parish of Greenwich St Alphage, 1844
On 9th October 1844 was baptised: Emily Ann, born June 23, 1834.
Daughter of James William & Frances Hannah MARTIN
Abode: Marsh Lane
Occupation: Carpenter

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

BIRTH of brother James William 1837, baptised 1842 (abode Woolwich Road)
DIED age 7 years on  7 Jan 1844, buried 28th Jan. Abode: Woolwich road.

BIRTH of sister Sarah Elizabeth 1839, baptised 1839 (abode Marlbro' St)
DIED age 10 years on 29 Aug 1849, buried 2nd Sep. (abode Marsh Lane)

BIRTH of sister Elizabeth Ann, 1844, baptised 1844 ( abode Marsh Lane)
BIRTH of brother William James 1847, baptised 1847 (abode Marsh Lane)
BIRTH of brother James, 1855, baptised 1855 (Abode Marsh Lane)
BIRTH of sister Matilda Priscilla 1859, baptised 1859 (abode Marsh Lane)

Emily Ann's sister Matilda Priscilla MARTIN married 25 Dec 1880 in St Marylebone, to Frederick BROWN. the two witness were:
J.W. MARTIN
E.A ADAMS  who could be sister Elizabeth Ann.....or Emily Ann?

Cheers
AMBLY

[katlady]

AMBLY
Many thanks for all that information. You have surprised me with the information that James William Martin died at the age of 7 years old. I have him living and dying in Australia with a large family.
I obviously have been following the wrong James William Martin born in Greenwich in 1837.
Katlady

[AMBLY]

Hi KatLady,

Hmmm, I wouldn't rule anything out as yet - because there were sons - James William, William James and James. When was the earliest your Australia chappie was in Australia?

I've just found this curiosity....

BAPTISM: Greenwich St Alphage
On 10 Nov 1834 , was baptised Emily Ann, born 23rd June
Daughter of James William & Frances Hannah CLEMENTS
Abode: Marlboro St
Occupation: Waterman

It seems Emily Ann was baptised twice - the second time in 1844 to 'legitimise' her, no doubt  Her parents, James William MARTIN and Frances Hannah CLEMENTS married after Banns, at  St Paul Deptford on 11 May 1835, after Emily Ann was born.

James CLEMENTS, the Waterman being her Grandfather? (and perhaps her father's occupation too in 1834):

1841:  3 (Little?) Marlborough St, Greenwich
/
James MARTIN 25, Carpenter, - Y
Frances MARTIN 25, - Y
Emily MARTIN 7 - Y
James MARTIN 4 - Y
Sarah MARTIN 2 - Y
//

1841: 2 (Little?) Marlborough St, Greenwich
James CLEMENTS 55, Waterman - Y
//

Cheers
AMBLY

EDITED

[katlady]

Wow, you are finding some interesting information.
I had noticed that Emily Ann was born before marriage of James and Frances so was unsure if she was illegitimate daughter of Frances and James or product of a previous marriage. Your data clears up that query.
My James William Martin born 1837 Greenwich was married in Australia in 1865, can find no record of how or when he got there to substantiate who he was. His marriage and death records shed no light on it either.
Katlady