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3rd great grand uncle in different terms
« on: Monday 30 January 17 22:35 GMT (UK) »
Is a 3rd great grand-uncle your Great great great (3 times) uncle or your great great great great (4 times) uncle?
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Re: 3rd great grand uncle in different terms
« Reply #1 on: Monday 30 January 17 23:14 GMT (UK) »
4x Great Uncle , I think

A Grand-Uncle is the brother of your Grandfather or Grandmother -- so a Great Uncle

So a Great Grand Uncle would have an extra Great when expressed just with Greats
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Re: 3rd great grand uncle in different terms
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 31 January 17 00:30 GMT (UK) »
I notice people using different terms which confuses me.

My grand uncle was my grandmother's brother i.e. any uncle with a 'great' would be a brother of a 'great' not a 'grand' as 'great' is the next generation from 'grand'.

I know what I mean but whether anyone else does, I don't know  ;D

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Re: 3rd great grand uncle in different terms
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 31 January 17 00:32 GMT (UK) »
A '3rd great grand-uncle' would be a brother of your 3 x g grandmother or 3 x g grandfather

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South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: 3rd great grand uncle in different terms
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 31 January 17 00:48 GMT (UK) »
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: 3rd great grand uncle in different terms
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 31 January 17 00:53 GMT (UK) »
If you scroll down on the link I gave you with the chart it has it all in detail....

"The siblings of YOUR grandparents are your granduncle or grandaunt,
not great uncle nor great aunt.
Similarly, the siblings of YOUR great-grandparents are YOUR greatgranduncle or great-grandaunt.
Also the same nomenclature
is used for grandnephew and grandniece."

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South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: 3rd great grand uncle in different terms
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 31 January 17 02:23 GMT (UK) »
Basically the term "3rd great grand uncle" is meaningless.  If you go back more generations than the great-grand uncle shown on the chart, you add a further "great".  So that would be "great great grand uncle" or "great great great uncle" same thing.  You can't randomly add "1st" "2nd" or "3rd" to something and claim it has a meaning.  Or if you want to make it easier to understand say "great grandfather's uncle" or "great great grandmother's brother" or whatever it may be.
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Re: 3rd great grand uncle in different terms
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 31 January 17 04:23 GMT (UK) »
Is a 3rd great grand-uncle your Great great great (3 times) uncle or your great great great great (4 times) uncle?
Hi
hard to say because great and grand uncle are the same thing, but at a guess the person who is describing their uncle means their 4th great uncle. I use Great uncle for my grandparents sibling and so on. I personally never use Grand (except for my grandparents of course). I do find the above very confusing,  maybe use grand, grand, grand, or great , great, great, but not both.
Apparently Great is the oldest term , Grand came later
Interesting article here
https://www.legalgenealogist.com/2015/02/25/great-versus-grand/
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Re: 3rd great grand uncle in different terms
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 01 February 17 00:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

It seems to me that '3rd great' indicates how many greats (3) there are before 'grand uncle", ie great great great grand uncle

We had a discussion about great vs grand in a previous topic : http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756403.0.
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