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[ruthhelen]

The Alexander Hutcheon who registered Jane's death could also be her son. Though why it wouldn't state that on the certificate is funny.

No, I don't think so - I think it likely he is the same Alexander Hutcheon who fathered Jane's children. He signed the register as 'Alexander Hutcheon, undertaker, Cairnbanno, New Deer'. If you look at the New Deer census for 1871, there is an Alexander Hutcheon, carpenter, aged 47 at Cairnbanno - that makes him far too old to be Jane's son, but around the right age to be the same Alexander Hutcheon who is with her, aged 15, in the 1841 census at Auchmunziel, New Deer.

Interestingly, he seems to have remained unmarried - which does make you wonder what prevented him and Jane marrying, and thereby legitimising their children 

Ruth

[ruthhelen]

Interestingly, he seems to have remained unmarried - which does make you wonder what prevented him and Jane marrying, and thereby legitimising their children 

Well, the story of Alexander Hutcheon, carpenter and undertaker, does carry on it seems… He fathered another illegitimate son, Andrew, in 1865 - registered as Andrew Milne by the child's mother Barbara. However, this time Alexander did marry the child’s mother - he and Barbara Milne married in 1876 in New Deer.

Alexander Hutcheon died in 1902 in New Deer. He was the son of John Hutcheon and Agnes Forsyth, baptised on 4 April 1827 in Monquhitter. He had two sisters that I’ve managed to find so far. He’s living with his elder sister Helen at Mill of Greens in Monquhitter in 1861 - she married the miller, William Paterson.

I do love it when loose ends get tidied up 

Ruth

[Fogmoose]

Interestingly, he seems to have remained unmarried - which does make you wonder what prevented him and Jane marrying, and thereby legitimising their children 

Well, the story of Alexander Hutcheon, carpenter and undertaker, does carry on it seems… He fathered another illegitimate son, Andrew, in 1865 - registered as Andrew Milne by the child's mother Barbara. However, this time Alexander did marry the child’s mother - he and Barbara Milne married in 1876 in New Deer.

Alexander Hutcheon died in 1902 in New Deer. He was the son of John Hutcheon and Agnes Forsyth, baptised on 4 April 1827 in Monquhitter. He had two sisters that I’ve managed to find so far. He’s living with his elder sister Helen at Mill of Greens in Monquhitter in 1861 - she married the miller, William Paterson.

I do love it when loose ends get tidied up 

Ruth

I love how you said the loose ends get tidied up, as opposed to 'tied up'! Because we know they almost never get truly "tied up" in Genealogy!

Interesting how he was a carpenter ( as I am!) and yet is listed as undertaker. Perhaps he made the coffin for Jane's burial? It was the least he could do after fathering 3 children with her....I see her death was from an outbreak of Scarlet Fever, which killed at least one other person (the child listed beneath her on that registration page) whom perhaps she was nursing when she caught it? Perhaps she and Alexander would have married if she had lived. As to Jane's parentage, the only Thomas Fowlie (spelled Foulie) I could find was in Old Deer in 1841 with his wife and 2 young children. Occupation is farmer, and age is 60. So that could be her father, but need to do more research. Still looking for anything on Ferguson/Greig. But it's interesting that Jane's son William's occupation is Shoemaker Apprentice/Shoemaker in 1861/71 census so perhaps he was employed by his Grandfather or his Uncle? Bears more looking into....


Thank you so much for your help. I have found out so much more than I had expected on this line....with all the illegitimacy I never expected this much! It certainly helped that everyone stayed relatively in the same places, and the fact that the father's surname was used as the middle name in nearly every case helps a great deal. On my other Maternal line this didn't happen and caused a brick wall that I have been unable to breach as of yet. 

[ruthhelen]

But it's interesting that Jane's son William's occupation is Shoemaker Apprentice/Shoemaker in 1861/71 census so perhaps he was employed by his Grandfather or his Uncle? Bears more looking into....

He seems to have lost interest in shoemaking - by 1877, he's a railway signalman in Midlothian and calling himself William Greig Hutcheon. He married Annie Grieg (still trying to establish if they are related...) in Dalkeith and died in Lasswade, Midlothian in 1929. He and Annie had five children that I've found so far: Elizabeth Syme Hutcheon, Jane Fowlie Hutcheon, Annie Greig Hutcheon, Williamina Greig Hutcheon and John Mair Hutcheon.

Ruth

[ruthhelen]

Not wishing to add to the confusion, but I think your Jane/Jean Hutcheon may have had another illegitimate child...  There is a William Hutcheon, aged 6 with her in the poor house in 1881. This William Hutcheon was born in 1874 in Millbrex to Jane Hutcheon, domestic servant. She successfully filed a paternity suit in 1876 against the child’s father, Jonathan Marnoch, farm servant at Haddo House, Methlick.

She presumably didn't get any money out of him, otherwise she and William wouldn't have been in the poor house in 1881, I guess  Can't find any trace of William after that though...

Ruth

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Interesting how he was a carpenter ( as I am!) and yet is listed as undertaker.
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Fogmoose, it was common here in the north East for local carpenter to also be the undertaker.
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[Fogmoose]

But it's interesting that Jane's son William's occupation is Shoemaker Apprentice/Shoemaker in 1861/71 census so perhaps he was employed by his Grandfather or his Uncle? Bears more looking into....

He seems to have lost interest in shoemaking - by 1877, he's a railway signalman in Midlothian and calling himself William Greig Hutcheon. He married Annie Grieg (still trying to establish if they are related...) in Dalkeith and died in Lasswade, Midlothian in 1929. He and Annie had five children that I've found so far: Elizabeth Syme Hutcheon, Jane Fowlie Hutcheon, Annie Greig Hutcheon, Williamina Greig Hutcheon and John Mair Hutcheon.

Ruth

Yes I had seen the 1881 census where he had moved nearby to Edinburgh, but had not had a chance to go any farther. Annie his wife was listed as being born in Fife. I suppose there was less and less need for shoemaking towards the beginning of the 20th century.

[Fogmoose]

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Interesting how he was a carpenter ( as I am!) and yet is listed as undertaker.

Fogmoose, it was common here in the north East for local carpenter to also be the undertaker.
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Really? I would never have known that! Thank you.  I wonder why?

[Fogmoose]

Not wishing to add to the confusion, but I think your Jane/Jean Hutcheon may have had another illegitimate child...  There is a William Hutcheon, aged 6 with her in the poor house in 1881. This William Hutcheon was born in 1874 in Millbrex to Jane Hutcheon, domestic servant. She successfully filed a paternity suit in 1876 against the child’s father, Jonathan Marnoch, farm servant at Haddo House, Methlick.

She presumably didn't get any money out of him, otherwise she and William wouldn't have been in the poor house in 1881, I guess  Can't find any trace of William after that though...

Ruth

So this William Hutcheon, nephew of William Greig Hutcheon, makes 6 illegitimate so far for Jane. The record must be within reach! And she lived to be over 90! Maybe marriage DOES kill you!