Cooper trade symbol?

[chinakay]

Hi gang, you know the pawnbroker's sign or symbol, the three balls? Well, I'm wondering if a cooper might have something similar. There's this building, here, that may or may not be a cooper's workshop. It would be a big clue in working out house numbers in a long forgotten street.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/118069284@N05/13991464912

Cheers,
China

[Kiltpin]

If we are talking about the building in the centre of the picture, with the gentleman leaning against the door jam, then that looks like a dwelling or offices to me.

I would have thought that they would have needed a wider doorway for a start - so that they could roll the barrels out.

The building looks too 'up-market' to be a working cooperage. Arched windows were not cheap and the lower level has imitation block-work over a brick core - again not cheap.

Sorry

Regards

Chas

[chinakay]

Hmmm, well, it might be a side door? I see what you mean about getting the barrels out.

But we know the cooperage is at #44. I know where 28, 30 and 32 were, and the numbers are marching in the right direction.

So I was wondering about the ring mounted up high on the wall, if it might be a barrel head or a hoop.

Cheers,
China

[Kiltpin]

Hmmm, well, it might be a side door? I see what you mean about getting the barrels out.

But we know the cooperage is at #44. I know where 28, 30 and 32 were, and the numbers are marching in the right direction.

So I was wondering about the ring mounted up high on the wall, if it might be a barrel head or a hoop.

Cheers,
China

Sorry, but that just hardens my opinion. In East Anglia we get a lot of pargeting on walls. It looks to me like a decorative moulding to hold a medallion or business name. The medallions were often made separately. Either tiles or porcelain; highly decorated, but having the advantage of being able to be removed when the business changed hands.

Surely the very best trade sign for a cooper would be a miniature barrel? Apothecaries had a mortar and pestle, a boot-maker or cobbler had a boot. A person did not have to be able to read, they just looked at the sign.

The art of a cooper was the making of the staves and putting them into the hoop, not the making of the hoop.

I don't see it.

Regards

Chas

[Rudolf H B]

Hi,

the Alsatian and German sign of a cooper: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wangen_rG%C3%A9n%C3%A9ralStrohl_78_(2).JPG

Cheers,
Rudolf

NB: My fathers name is Böttcher (the cooper in the middle of Germany - or Böttger the re-inventor of porcelain), up to now I have found coopers and three porcelain makers under the ancestors of my mother and none related to my father.

[chinakay]

Okay, well then. Shame 

Thank you both for your help.

Just a thought, Rudolf, we have a lot of Bottgen, Buttgen, Buettgens in this area. It's clearly a German name, lots of German influence here with German place names, New Ulm, New Germany, Hamburg etc. Would the name be related to Boettcher?

Cheers,
China

[Rudolf H B]

* Coopers in Germany:
** Böttcher / Bötticher / Böttger;
** Bender; Binder / Faßbinder;
** Fassler / Fässler;
** Küfer / Küper / Kuper; Kübler;
** Büttner / Böttner;
** Schäffler / Scheffler; Schedler; ...
** Bednarz (Polish)

* Büttgen / Buettgen:
** the ancestor might from (Kaarst-)Büttgen,
** a dealer of small barrels, - or
** a person with a remarkable belly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaarst #Division of the town

* Buttgen:  the ancestor might be a dealer of flounders

Cheers,
Rudolf
 

[chinakay]

Cool! Vielen Dank, Rudolf 

Tchuess,
China