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Offline Kay99

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Re: Under the Radar
« Reply #18 on: Friday 27 January 17 20:21 GMT (UK) »
These are just a few ideas.   May have no relevance but just in case!!

In 1881 the neighbours of Alfred Love and his family were as below with a Mary Ann Love

Christopher Hefford 65 Nottingham Framework Knitter
Mary Ann Love 67  Inmate? -Laundress Birthplace Not Known
Sarah Priestley    14 Granddaughter
Benjamin Priestley 8 Grandson

At the moment I can't see Mary Ann Love pre 1881.  Tracing Christopher Hefford's family back I think in 1871 he is living in Snenton, Nottingham and has a son Alfred of the same age as Alfred Love in 1881
Christopher Hefford    55  Silk ?? Maker Nottingham
Mary Hefford 55 Nottingham
Charles Hefford    18 Nottingham
Alfred Hefford    15 Nottingham

And in 1861 without Christopher I think his family are transcribed as Hebbord and living in Nottingham  All children born Nottingham and include a child Martha - the same age at the Martha Love who married William Warsop

Mary Ann Hebbord 44 Silk Worker b Nottingham
Martha Hebbord 16
Emma Hebbord    11
Charles Hebbord 8
Alfred Hebbord    6
Elizabeth Rogers 19 Boarder
Harriet Jackson    37 Boarder
Harriet Jackson    13 Boarder

Could Alfred Love have been the child of neighbour Mary Ann Love (1881)  and is it a pure coincidence that Alfred was living next door to Christopher Hefford in 1881.   I can't find Alfred Hefford post 1871??    :-\

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Re: Under the Radar
« Reply #19 on: Friday 27 January 17 21:34 GMT (UK) »
Alfred Hefford birth Sep 1855 Nottingham has a mothers maiden name Dodd

Martha Hefford birth Jun 1846 Nottingham has a mothers maiden name Dodd

As do Emma and Charles.
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Re: Under the Radar
« Reply #20 on: Friday 27 January 17 21:39 GMT (UK) »
Mary Ann Dodd baptised 26 December 1813, St Mary, Nottingham, father William mother Ann (Familysearch)

Mary Ann Dodd married 18 January 1831, Radford Nottingham – husband David Love
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Re: Under the Radar
« Reply #21 on: Friday 27 January 17 22:07 GMT (UK) »
Oh the plot doth thicken - so David Love was the father or did he pass away and Christopher Hefford was the father or  ??? am getting confused now.
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Re: Under the Radar
« Reply #22 on: Friday 27 January 17 22:56 GMT (UK) »
Not sure?

LOVE, DAVID       40
GRO Reference: 1842  M Quarter in BATH  Volume 11  Page 44

LOVE, DAVID       29
GRO Reference: 1842  S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 18  Page 385

Edited to add that David Love possibly died but Mary Ann and Christopher didn't marry but are the parents of Alfred, but why would Alfred use the surname Love?

Edited again as now I don't think David Love did die but married again bigamously?
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Re: Under the Radar
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 28 January 17 03:22 GMT (UK) »
This gets even more complicated.

The death registrations I posted earlier are most likely not for David Love who married Mary Ann Dodd, I don’t think he died which is why Mary Ann Love and Christopher Hefford didn’t marry – she wasn’t free to marry.

There is a death registration in Nottingham for David Love in 1897 aged 79 which means born about 1817/1818, but his age may not have been correct. I have found a David Love on several trees on Ancestry using this death ref and he has a wife Margaret who was born in Ireland and they appear on the 1861, 1871 and 1881 Census living in Liverpool and Everton, but all trees have his date of birth as about 1813 (same year as Mary Ann Dodd). None of the trees show a marriage between David and Margaret, and none show her surname.

The year of birth comes from the Census where he is shown as a Chelsea Pensioner. His discharge papers are on Ancestry. He joined the 89th Regiment of Foot as a Private (reg no. 581) at Leicester on 4 July 1831, age 18, some six months after his marriage to Mary Ann, and served in the regiment for twenty years 327 days having spent 5 years 6 months in the West Indies and 5 years 10 months in North America. He was discharged at Cork Barracks on 13 May 1853.

1861 -RG 9; Piece: 2654; Folio: 135A; Page: 42
126 Hopwood Street, Liverpool

David Love, Head, Mar, 47, Chelsea Pensioner, Notts Nottingham
Margaret Love, Wife, Mar, 32, Ireland
John Love, Son, 13, Scholar, Ireland
Elizabeth Love, Daur, 7, Lancashire Lpool
Phillip Love, Son, 6, Cumberland Workington (MMN = Kennedy)
David Love, Son, 4, Cumberland Workington
William Love, Son, 2, Cumberland Workington

1871 - RG10; Piece: 3814; Folio: 98; Page: 22
142 Elias Street, Everton

David Love Head, Mar, 58 Bricklayer’s Labourer, Nottinghamshire
Margaret Love, Wife, Mar, 42, Ireland
Philip Love, Son, 15, Sailor Boy, Workington Cumberland
David Love, Son, 13, Scholar, Workington Cumberland
Mary E Love, Daur, 11 Scholar, Liverpool Lancashire
James W Love, Son, 9, Scholar, Liverpool Lancashire (MMN = Kennedy)

1881 - RG11; Piece: 3660; Folio: 76; Page: 22
142 Elias Street, Everton

David Love Head, Mar, 68, Army Pensioner, Nottingham
Margaret Love, Wife, Mar, 52, Ireland
James Love, Son, 18, Cotton Mill Labourer, Liverpool
Margaret Sullivan, Gr Daughter, 9, Scholar, Liverpool
Charles and Margaret Teasdale - Lodgers

I have checked some of the birth registrations for the children of David and Margaret and her maiden name is Kennedy.

David Love, age 36, son of David Love married Margaret Kennedy, age 23, daughter of Philip Kennedy on the Isle of Man on 20 Aug 1849. From Familysearch.
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Re: Under the Radar
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 28 January 17 06:25 GMT (UK) »
Oh -it does get complicated

Interesting that one of Christopher and Mary's early children was I think registered as Love - from GRO index

ELIZA  LOVE     Mother's maiden name DODD        
1838  March Quarter  NOTTINGHAM  Vol 15  Page 561

Looks like youngest child Charles Hefford also used the surname Love by 1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27K-VMTP

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Re: Under the Radar
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 28 January 17 10:31 GMT (UK) »
Wow! Thanks everone for all of this very interesting information. You must have spent hours researching on my behalf!

I think I'm now going to "mind-map" it all to see try to get it straight in my mind, and to see if other connections suggest themselves.

Thank you again for your efforts. Not only do I have loads more information, but being a beginner you've shown me research ideas which will no doubt be very useful in future.

Dare I say it ..... if you have any more ideas - keep them coming!

Pete

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Re: Under the Radar
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 28 January 17 13:28 GMT (UK) »
Bet you didn't expect so much intrigue from your initial question Pete  ;D

It's been very interesting, if you have any other questions you know where to come!
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